deleted · 6 years ago
Because equality
unicycle · 6 years ago
It's not about having a 50/50 split, it's about encouraging entry into fields that historically women have been excluded from (and are still being excluded). We basically looked at our physicists and mathematicians and engineers and computer programmers and realized that there were hardly any women. And it's not because women aren't interested in these fields. If you ask young girls and boys about science, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart based on their answers because little kids are just as interested in science and how stuff works. But as girls get older our media and societal pressure (whether direct or indirect) forces that scientific curiosity out of them and tells them they can only be teachers/secretaries/nurses/etc. And we socialise boys to think that girls aren't cut out for STEM, so we have men thinking that their female colleagues are only there because of feminism/affirmative action.
wolfsbane · 6 years ago
Women arnt being exluded from stem fields. milo gave a talk about it
wolfsbane · 6 years ago
And no we dont socialize boys to think girls arent cut out for anything. Thats just bullshit
sm19 · 6 years ago
No we 10000% socialize boys and girls into different fields from the beginning. It starts with what they see. Girls will see on Tv/in toys teachers, cleaners, secretaries, princesses, etc., while boys will see scientists, doctors, engineers, etc. Milo is such crap I've seen his talks and he's garbage. I've also heard personal stories of friends who have been in STEM, and they treat the females with less respect than the male counterparts just because they were female. Like @unicycle said, we don't want a 50/50 split, we want to encourage them in. Also, the fact of the matter is women are still being seen as the primary caregivers of children and STEM jobs and kids don't mix that well. Title aside from this video, look at how all these men ganged up on the women who solved this but not the men who gave the exact same answer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggDQXlinbME
kouyaaotsuki · 6 years ago
I’m just A N G E R Y feminists haven’t tried to equal the suicide gap between men and woman
tarotnathers13th · 6 years ago
Can I have a story from sm19 detailing an example of misogyny in STEM fields?
wolfsbane · 6 years ago
Sorry for being sn idiot but whats sm19 lol
adorkable · 6 years ago
... The user up there ^^
wolfsbane · 6 years ago
Oh wow i am a dumbass
sm19 · 6 years ago
@tarotnathers13th well if you watched the video, I'd say that is a pretty good example. Do you want from people I know?
tarotnathers13th · 6 years ago
Yeah
unicycle · 6 years ago
I know that anecdotes aren't necessarily proof but here's my story. As I was working toward my PhD in theoretical physics, I was doing research work in a lab. I was the only woman in my lab group of about 10 PhD students, and I think there were only a couple women in the whole lab. My male colleagues would frequently offer crude comments or gestures, even coming to my office just to make sexist/harassing jokes. To be honest, that's what I was expecting being a woman in this field and I could deal with it. But my colleagues would dismiss pretty much every idea I had almost immediately, then sometimes one of them would turn around and offer my thoughts (altered slightly) and generate lots of discussion and even praise for his idea. Every person working above me was a man, and I discovered that if I had a theory I would need twice as much data/research to support it compared to my male counterparts.
unicycle · 6 years ago
I finally got fed up and asked my advisor about what to do. He said that women in physics face a lot of bullshit, and that no matter how high my position got I would still encounter the same problems and would constantly be having to justify my worth. I decided I didn't want to be working for the rest of my life in a field where I would constantly have to prove I'm good enough to be there.
kouyaaotsuki · 6 years ago
wow, it must be harsh. I wonder if male math teachers at my school feel the same, literally every math teacher in the school I go to is female
tarotnathers13th · 6 years ago
Better I hear an anecdote out than be told there is one, sounds like you went through a lot shit.
unicycle · 6 years ago
I know plenty of women who went through or are going through the same things and it takes a lot of fortitude to stick it out. Just having a passion for your subject isn't enough; you have to be willing and able to endure a lot of frustration, humiliation, long nights, harassment, etc. We shouldn't be punishing women like that just for pursuing their interests.
sm19 · 6 years ago
My one professor who is currently working on her PhD (we became good friends), has told me about how her male colleagues dismiss her ideas and when she tries to email them she almost never gets responses back, but when her male colleagues send something out they always get a detailed reply. A mutual friend of mine is working on their master degree in bio and she told me in the lab the guys have made comments directed at her that made her suuuuuuuper uncomfortable. Personally, I want to pursue my PhD, but when this stuff is so common place it's hard to want to put yourself through that crap.