There's a theory that when the bible says "yhe whole world" it actually means the world that they knew. Like just the area they lived in. The bible has been translated so many times through many languages, I'm sure plenty of things were bound to seem overdramaticized or misunderstood when in translation.
Not geographical, you're thinking geological evidence, of which there is none.
The extant cultures of the time did NOT record that there was a global flood either.
Atlantic did overflow into the Mediterranean empty basin. With apocalyptic noise after Gibraltar broke. They just retold the story like it happened yesterday(just probably like when they first found dinosaur bones and imagined dragons and shit, they didn't get that Earth could be 60mil. years old)
If you take the bible literally then the flood happened before those civilizations appeared since it wasn't till after the flood that people spread. And there are records/stories from places all over the world recounting a great flood. And there has been findings of soil deposits and rock formations that imply there was flooding. Not saying Noahs flood is true just saying that if you take it literally your argument won't persuade a believer
Guest, your own argument is literal when u say things like records and soil deposits. How am i supposed to argue with a non literal argument to a believer who will have a literal arguement?
Noah is warned of the coming flood and told to construct the ark. God spells out to Noah the dimensions of the vessel: 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits in width and 30 cubits in height (450 × 75 × 45 ft or 137 × 22.9 × 13.7 m).
The ark was massive
You didnt answer my question.
Even with the dimensions of that boat, there is no way he fit all species in that boat. Also how would all the species have been relocated to their current habitats. And dont say these animals spread out and had birthed generations with new genetics because that would suggest evolution and u cant believe in both creationism and evolution.
Yes you can. It's possible to believe in God, and that animals can change over time to fit into their surroundings.
http://creation.com/how-did-all-the-animals-fit-on-noahs-ark
If you took the time to read into this yourself, you'd see that the bible says that God brought them to the ark, so he brought them back to where they came from too.
You just admitted to Evolution by saying animals changed overtime to fit their surroundings. You got to be more careful than that.
There are over 6 million species of land animals on earth. Even if u were to subtract the species of insects and the ones that you said "changed", there would still be at least 3 million and there no way all of them fit on this large boat.
I know? I don't know why you felt the need to repeat my point to me.
And you don't need to take the sea animals into account because they can swim, so already there are a ton of animals accounted for. After that, the biggest animal that Noah would've had to worry about would be the elephant.
It's not impossible.
Dude are you even reading what i said.
I did say land animal. I was already excluding sea animals. The total is like 8 million, google it.
Also I dont know what you meant that I repeated your point. I said you admitted to evolution, which every creationist doesn't believe in who also argues the ark was literal.
milkshake, i did read it and that was my rebuttal. My point is that is DOESNT explain it well enough. If you are going to answer back again, at least hit me with a good arguement.
master, I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or actually asking that question. Animal are able to adapt to their environments via evolutionary processes. So they arent the same but very connected
Morgan, im not a creationist myself so you are right im not totally sure. But every thing i have every read or watched that was by a creationist included an attempt to falsify evolution. Also if a creationist believes in evolution, they are kinda contradicting themselves since being a creationist means you live by the literal word of the bible and the bible says many things that try to falsify evolution and also it suggests the Earth is only 6000 years old which goes against evolution as well.
Macro-evolution is impossible. There is no way something can come from nothing naturally. Micro evolution however is possible as it is just basic natural selection. Emus on an Island without much food can become smaller as all the big ones die easier. The effect is that only the small Genes are passed on. The fact that evolution hasn't been proven is often overlooked especially in Schools and Universities.
There is a a very famous scientific experiment that shows how organic molecules can form from simple ingredients such as water, oxygen, or CO2. This is how life slowly formed. Life didnt form from nothing, it just took chance for all the right molecules to be in the right place at the right time.
Also macro evolution has been proven through extensive fossil records and visual/genetic proof of species currently on earth showing ancestral relations to other species currently on earth.
Proven means there is no chance of it being wrong. However good the theory is, it isn't proven.
1. Extensive fossil records have massive key gaps in them.
2. Visual/genetic proof of species currently on earth showing ancestral relations could just mean there is a common creator.
3. It would have to be a trillion trillion etc. chances for everything to become as it is now. Anyway that is also counting on there being a Big Bang, which is even more fanciful than macro-evolution, to provide those molecules. Not only that but the fact that there are laws of physics and nature means that they had to come from somewhere outside nature. i.e supernatural. This is sort of getting off the topic of evolution but it is related.
These are just my beliefs and I can not make make you believe them but hopefully you will at least consider them fairly as I try to do about evolution. However this leads to another question: If creation is true then what consequences does this have for eternity?
I find it kind of strange some Christians talk about absolute truth in things in the bible but then keep changeing or restating there points in a different way.
If you suddenly found everything you knew flooding unexpectedly would you grab a quill and PAPER and write it all down and then find a safe WATERPROOF place to store these records? Please remember with a stone tablet it would take way too long to have engraved sufficient detailed records.
1) Even people of the ancient world could predict floods
2) Geological records would show if a flood of such a massive scale happened. Just like science predicted a massive volcano helped wiped out the Manoans. (sorry if i spelt that last word wrong.)
The extant cultures of the time did NOT record that there was a global flood either.
The ark was massive
Even with the dimensions of that boat, there is no way he fit all species in that boat. Also how would all the species have been relocated to their current habitats. And dont say these animals spread out and had birthed generations with new genetics because that would suggest evolution and u cant believe in both creationism and evolution.
http://creation.com/how-did-all-the-animals-fit-on-noahs-ark
If you took the time to read into this yourself, you'd see that the bible says that God brought them to the ark, so he brought them back to where they came from too.
There are over 6 million species of land animals on earth. Even if u were to subtract the species of insects and the ones that you said "changed", there would still be at least 3 million and there no way all of them fit on this large boat.
And you don't need to take the sea animals into account because they can swim, so already there are a ton of animals accounted for. After that, the biggest animal that Noah would've had to worry about would be the elephant.
It's not impossible.
I did say land animal. I was already excluding sea animals. The total is like 8 million, google it.
Also I dont know what you meant that I repeated your point. I said you admitted to evolution, which every creationist doesn't believe in who also argues the ark was literal.
Also macro evolution has been proven through extensive fossil records and visual/genetic proof of species currently on earth showing ancestral relations to other species currently on earth.
1. Extensive fossil records have massive key gaps in them.
2. Visual/genetic proof of species currently on earth showing ancestral relations could just mean there is a common creator.
3. It would have to be a trillion trillion etc. chances for everything to become as it is now. Anyway that is also counting on there being a Big Bang, which is even more fanciful than macro-evolution, to provide those molecules. Not only that but the fact that there are laws of physics and nature means that they had to come from somewhere outside nature. i.e supernatural. This is sort of getting off the topic of evolution but it is related.
These are just my beliefs and I can not make make you believe them but hopefully you will at least consider them fairly as I try to do about evolution. However this leads to another question: If creation is true then what consequences does this have for eternity?
Thanks
2) Geological records would show if a flood of such a massive scale happened. Just like science predicted a massive volcano helped wiped out the Manoans. (sorry if i spelt that last word wrong.)