On the one hand, I approve. On the other, there's no way they're getting everybody who needs their kids taken away, so it seems kinda unfair. Especially since it just says "not intelligent enough," not because they were demonstrating that they shouldn't have kids.
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· 6 years ago
I think that's a dangerous precedent to set, if we're concerned about keeping families intact.
Intelligence should not be a factor. Are the kids well fed? Do the parents help the kids pursue social and educational opportunities? Those are the questions that matter. This sets a dangerous precedent and should be summarily reversed and reevaluated.
Also, I'm pretty sure those kids will be simply lined up for an orphanage, its not like we have an excess of parents as is. Either this article is in bad context or some messed up crap is going on.
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· 6 years ago
This looks like a tabloid, but it's the same story everywhere.
Apparently, Grandpa (Mom's dad) has been hating on his daughter years, insisting that she is stupid and lazy.
He's purportedly the one who filed the neglect report.
Why isn't this more common? Not that I approve but I know plenty of dumb parents, cough cough antivaxxers cough cough, that haven't had their kids taken away.
It's one thing if you can demonstrate an imminent danger that they're exposing the child to or obvious factors of negligence in their current childrearing, but just because they don't score well on an IQ test? That's fucked up.
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· 6 years ago
This is unnecessary if the kids are being treated well. If their stupidity leads to the mistreating of the kids, Id understand, but soley on iq is horrible
A relative to the couple initially expressed concern in a complaint to authorities regarding the Christopher's well-being under the care of Fabbrini and Ziegler, according to the Oregonian.
A child welfare report alleged Ziegler had been 'sleeping with the baby on the floor and almost rolled over on him.'
Fabbrini's father, Raymond, said he and his wife were acting as the primary caregivers at the time, because he believed his daughter did not possess the 'instincts to be a mother.'
After taking a required IQ test, Ziegler scored a meager 66 and Fabbrini a 72. The IQ of the average person ranges anywhere from 90-110.
Ziegler's IQ score categorized him under the mild 'intellectual disability' range, while Fabbrini 'extremely low to borderline range of intelligence,' according to the report.
Straight from the article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4747316/Oregon-couple-loses-custody-children-low-IQ-scores.html
There has to be more to this. First, for an intellectual disability to be assessed, there has to be a combination of low iq plus deficits in adaptive functioning (like caring for one's self independently). If this is the case, then these folks are entitled to support and help through disability services.
Second, for kids to be removed, there is supposed to be solid evidence of abuse or neglect.
I refuse to believe there isn't more. It would be too terrifying and heartbreaking. Not that I would ever hope for neglect or abuse, but that seems better to believe than kids being removed because the parents are a little slow. It doesn't take a high IQ to love. Thise poor kids.
Apparently, Grandpa (Mom's dad) has been hating on his daughter years, insisting that she is stupid and lazy.
He's purportedly the one who filed the neglect report.
A child welfare report alleged Ziegler had been 'sleeping with the baby on the floor and almost rolled over on him.'
Fabbrini's father, Raymond, said he and his wife were acting as the primary caregivers at the time, because he believed his daughter did not possess the 'instincts to be a mother.'
After taking a required IQ test, Ziegler scored a meager 66 and Fabbrini a 72. The IQ of the average person ranges anywhere from 90-110.
Ziegler's IQ score categorized him under the mild 'intellectual disability' range, while Fabbrini 'extremely low to borderline range of intelligence,' according to the report.
Straight from the article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4747316/Oregon-couple-loses-custody-children-low-IQ-scores.html
Second, for kids to be removed, there is supposed to be solid evidence of abuse or neglect.
I refuse to believe there isn't more. It would be too terrifying and heartbreaking. Not that I would ever hope for neglect or abuse, but that seems better to believe than kids being removed because the parents are a little slow. It doesn't take a high IQ to love. Thise poor kids.