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Did you really just use the word safe when talking about suicide? Well it is painless cause its odorless, tasteless and you really can't tell anything is wrong untill you blackout and die after a couple minutes. You suffocate but it's not as if your gasping for air it's just that your breathing in the air normally but your brain doesn't get the oxeygen it needs so it shuts down and then you die

Carbon monoxide poisoning is dangerous because people don't even know somethings wrong until it's too late. there are some mild symptoms like headaches, nausea and generally just feeling weak but you'll be unconscious in a matter of minutes if not seconds .so putting up with some mild discomfort for a short duration is a hell of a lot more preferable than other methods like slitting your wrist, jumping or any other messy or unsuccessful methods such swallowing pills

@adramalech yes, i used the word safe^^ i know that the idea behind this is a suicide.. but atleast it should be a "safe suicide" in the term of pain etc.. there are suicide methods who can go wrong or hurt really much.. or just feel really "no please not". as an example.. shooting yourself into the head. if you have no luck, you live the rest of your life in half coma or in a bed and can't do anything anymore.. as an example. or with other methods you could really feel like s*it for the last minutes / hours of your life. no one wants this.

Carbon monoxide poisoning is not fun. You throw up and suffocate. It's not just like falling asleep, it's falling unconscious bc of oxygen deprivation, which is entirely different. That being said, it doesn't matter because that's not how the machine works: it uses liquid nitrogen to replace oxygen
http://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-assisted-suicide-machine-727874?amp=1

it depends on the reason a person have i think. if it's just depression or other stuff, i don't think we should let them do a suicide. but if it's a really good reason.. we don't should play god and decide which person have to live or not. not everyone should be allowed to kill himself imho.. it really depends on the reason if you ask me. but.. if you think about it.. if a person really want to die.. she will do it anyway. if you allow it or not.. there are always ways to do a suicide.. so you can't really "forbid" it imho..

Robert Heinlein wrote some books in which the ability to take your own life is a sacred right due to the immortality associated with medical advancements. It struck me as a very interesting concept.
In the US we have the right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” but is it really a right if it’s enforced? Isn’t part of that right to choose the opposite?

if someone really have a good reason for it.. and it's not just "well let's kill myself" from a teenager.. maybe we should allow it. but just after the person really know that he really wants this.. and have spoken to a therapy guy about it. if someone really really wants to die.. then yes, maybe we should allow it. but i think it's more important to remove the reasons of why a person wants this.

There are so many facets of US society that are intertwined with this.

This thing is only used after someone goes through a psych evaluation and IIRC they have to be over 70. It's only allowed in a few places around the world right now.

Somebody I know lost their only child. I wonder how they go on.

I was making a joke

if i would decide which person is allowed to kill themself with this device, i would just let people do it who have talked for a few weeks with a doctor about it & the problems itself. the doctor should look if he can't fix the problem itself which is the reason for the suicide wish.. and if it's just something like brake up with someone.. i would not allow a suicide with this machine. i would say to the person "if you really want to kill yourself, do it by our own. i don't help you with this just for this reason". but thats just what i think.

What if it has nothing to do with sadness? What about a father who has had a successful life, raised two kids and gotten them through college and now wants to finish life before he starts to get sick and so his children’s last memory is of him strong and relatively young. I don’t see why he shouldn’t be allowed to make that choice for himself.

Let’s harvest his healthy organs then.

For almost anything you can pull out the most unlikely and rare situation and im sure you will find problems.

Huh?

@scatmandingo question: why a father who had a good life would want to die? i doubt that the only reason for such a thing would be that he gets old. everyone gets old.. but because this you don't just suddenly want to die in fear of getting old - imho. most people who get really old have the exactly opposite.. they love to life and are happy -> most time atleast.. so why should this happy father want to die? getting old is not really a good reason. don't understand me wrong.. i don't say that we should not allow him to do this. i mean.. he lived a whole live, and if he is at the end (mostly)..and want to go sooner than by nature.. okay. but if it would not be a father who is like 70-80 years old and instead a teenager in the age of like 20...no. then we should not allow it. IMHO.

Maybe he doesn’t want to slow down or he wants his estate to pass to his kids at its peak. The point is that people have more reasons than mental illness. Why do we feel we have the right to judge someone’s reasons to allow or deny the choices they make about their body?

the thing is.. we already do what you think is bad (take decisions for other people). in germany (where i live & born) you are not allowed to do suicide or help others do it. there are even penalitys in your rulebook who basicly say "if you kill yourself or help anyone do it, you get punished".. if you help someone kill themself, this counts as murdering a person here in germany. other countrys have too rules about suicide i think.. so basicly, we already decide for others. you need to think about the overview, not just a single person. imagine if you allow suicide without consequences.. and then suddenly people all around the country begin kill themself because they don't like stuff / their life.. most people who now don't do it because its painfully etc. would then do it maybe.. and if you have teenagers or other young people who do this, and it happens at a greater scale.. you have a big problem as a country. you too need to think about what the familys etc. of this people gonna [1]

think and feel about this.. i mean sure, normaly every should have the right to end their own life if they want.. but do you think the family of the father would like the idea that their father is gonna kill himself just because he don't want to get ill & that others see him like that? i think the family would not allow it.. or they would be really really really sad, angry etc.. [2]

yeah fam im sure this is a quote somewhere but suicide doesnt end problems it just passes them on to someone else.

depends on the reason imho. if you have health-problems, pain.. can't be healed.. and just suffer in pain.. i think it IS a solution.. for this persons. sure, for others it's hard.. but.. for people in this situation this is more easy as bear with life. (p.s: sorry for my bad english^^)

I'm not exactly certain *why* we should keep people alive who don't want to live. Because *society* is uncomfortable with death? Because *some people* will be sad? Yes, there are laws that day is wrong to commit suicide, but laws are not always correct as they are and need to be corrected as society gains understanding.

what if you want to commit suicide but you owe money to a lot of people then what you commit suicide and that bill passes on to your kids or someone you know is that fair should we still let them die just because they want to? What if you are the only means of income for a family you can just choose to die leaving a family hopeless and in a terrible situation. There are lots of reasons to not commit suicide and pretending like it holds only consequence for the individual is not true it affects everyone around you in an unfair way.

What if I choke on a fucking sandwich and die? That's not fair. Waahhh. Life isn't fair. That's a child's argument.

life isnt fair but that doesnt mean you can do whatever you want and ignore obligations. You are choosing to die no one is forcing you in a machine to kill you. If you choke on a sandwich then you didnt control that but it is insane to assume that you can just kill yourself whenever you want because life isnt fair. Obviously you dont understand we are talking about suicide and not death in general. Do you understand the economic repercussions of an employee with a load of work can create by just not doing any of it and killing himself putting enormous strain on businesses and their customers. The strain and issues that it will create to the entire economy would be insane and completely unpredictable. Not to mention excusing it with life isnt fair would be the most and im sorry for saying this but retarded excuse that I have ever heard in my life.

Isn't all this talk about rights and permissions kind of a moot point? The only time the law is going to stop someone truly committed to killing themselves is when they're incapable of doing it without assistance. The rest is moral browbeating.

Well, I have an underlying reason for my line of questioning. I need to refine the thought a bit though. I wonder if the general consensus is pro or anti suicide though.

I do think people should be able to kill themselves at any time.

What about people who are mentally impaired? Can they even make that choice? I look at how some people get convinced that they need to buy a car at list price...a combination of salesmanship, urgency, emotion, etc...so some,people could be eager and willing to commit suicide but regret it after a bit, but if it's everyone's right unquestioningly, they won't have a chance to,regret it.

Well if a retarded person can't make decisions in general then I suppose you have an argument.
And as for regret, you can't regret thing when you're dead, so that's not really an issue.