NY isn’t a lot better. 15% fed income tax. 10% state income tax. My property and school taxes are another 10% of my annual salary. Everything I buy has an 8 or 8.75% sales tax on it. My fuel has a $.75 per gallon tax on it. My mobile phone bill, electric bill, gas bill and cable bills all have taxes added to them. All in all I pay nearly 50% of my income in taxes.
I'd take the Norwegian countries. At least you have college and healthcare paid for. I'd imagine if you take a tax breakdown like @pokethebear then add both those, they are paying even more overall.
Then get the fuck off public roads, never call the police, home school your kids, if your house catches fire, either put it out yourself or let it burn, build yourself an outhouse or shit in the woods, purify your own water and don't expect our military to defend your property. Oh, if you can't get a job because you injure yourself to the point you can't work, roll over and die, cuz no welfare for you! Also, better make sure you save up or work til you croak, cuz no social security for you!
Also, live in a state with no sales tax, build a windmill, watermill (good luck), dig your own oil well and refine the oil yourself or build your own solar cells; because every source of electricity is subsidized by the government. Also, get off the internet, that's also subsidized. Grow your own crops and hunt your own game, since both are also subsidized. You'll still get a public defender when you can't do all of that and are caught stealing; so there is a silver lining.
You're twisting my words. I want reasonable taxes, not to be forced to pay for someone else's master's degree in interpretive dance
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Funk, I think Famous meant he's fine contributing to his country, but having his income halved is not favorable.
Considering the way he talks and his beliefs, I'm sure you knew he meant that.
Well then you'd prefer to be surrounded by stupid co-workers and have an insurance company charge you even more than what you'd pay for healthcare taxes? That doesn't make sense. When healthcare is non-profit and can negotiate drug prices costs go down across the board. Other people NOT being able to cover their medical bills is already tied to your insurance, otherwise the insurance companies and hospitals go out of business. Or are you saying people that can't pay their medical bills should just be denied and left to fend for themselves?
Honestly, about the education thing I think there IS a middle ground. Anything STEM related or medical related should be automatically covered by the government given performance that meets the bar; anything language related you should be able to get reasonable scholarships that do enough to cover the cost without putting you in debt since translators ARE important... but liberal arts? Eh... there shouldn't be much government money going
into that.. and scholarships should be pretty difficult.
Anyway, of COURSE I twisted his words, I was pointing out the absurdity of someone would be giving up if there were a way to voluntary give up taxes while losing the benefits.
Anyway, I don't think paying $700 billion a year on a military that, besides a nuclear war could literally take on the rest of the world at once is reasonable; it's actually the most unreasonable thing we spend tax money on; at least by about $300 billion.
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Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up. We get it, you don't agree with Famous' views, you don't have to shove your size 60 boot down our throats.
Emergency medicine should be covered, nothing else.
Education should be solely the individual's/family's prerogative.
Our military is the backbone of the free world and the greatest deterrence against conventional war. Cut that and you'll have a right mess on everyone's hands
We can fund the same military we have on less though. Lockheed dicks around and bleeds us over contracts; our Congress forces our Army into maintaining tanks they don't want or need, we have bases in seriously strange places where we don't need them.. like in the middle of nowhere in the Australian Desert... We halfway design a new weapon then the next admin cuts the funding... etc. etc. etc. As long as we can maintain what we have, and cut back on the excessive spending, why do we need to keep expanding our military? It's overkill. I'd rather if they have to spend that $300 bil it goes towards making sure our veterans are paid better.
I think we can both agree on most of that.
The army wants new tanks. That's a bit more expensive than upgrading the ones we have. Nevermind the issue of getting rid of the ones we have when their shit is still classified.
Those bases are meant to project force on behalf of our allies, many of whom have structured their defense strategies around us.
Many of those weapons systems were cancelled for legitimate reasons. Like the XM8, PDWs, intermediate weapons systems, and so on.
You want to balance the budget? Go after entitlements and congressional pensions.
Oh, we have a separate water bill and NY doesn’t allow private wind turbines without a lengthy and prohibitively expensive permitting process that includes environmental impact studies.
Subsidies aren't entitlements. They are things that go untaxed or come with benefits because the feds are trying to reward or encourage growth in some way or other.
subsidies are basically just corporate welfare. I understand what they were originally intended for, but it has gotten out of control, it's freaking ridiculous.
Well if mine does what I want and other congressmen/women do not... how am I supposed to blame my own? Am I supposed to only settle for the best negotiator on the planet that can literally sway every member of congress to vote the same way on all the issues I, possibly alone, want?
You don't think different perspectives should be presented?
If you had the power to implement ever law as you saw fit would you do it? If you could just snap your fingers and do it; create your own US according to your ideals, would you do it?
what exactly is "republicanism"? I mean I can define "liberalism" in one sentence. It's not hard:
a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class) Yes I quoted the dictionary; I did that to prove a point: this is gonna take 2 more posts.
Conservatism: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (such as retirement income or health-care coverage)
Now; do seasons exist? Yes. Which do you think is the better survival philosophy? Adapt and improve or stick with what works? I'll give you this; on the surface they both work, but that's because of the "sharks and crocs haven't changed" argument. They have; drastically. The shape itself works; like the frame of a car. There is a reason why you have to open the hood to get an even decent idea of what a parked car can do. (Cept those "monster trucks" with axels 5 feet below the chaise... lmao).
Don't mean for a SJW lunatic liberal; those people are so opposite of fascists they are the exact same thing.
That took me a second; you are correct. I have the integrity to resist becoming a fascist. I don't know about anyone who followed what I typed though.
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What?
If you have to resist calling yourself a facist, you're a diet facist.
You agree with what they say, but you don't identify with the name, or do when it conveniences you.
There’s only one Norwegian country, that’s Norway. You mean Nordic. And we’re not even the highest taxed in the world. Most people aren’t even mad about the taxes because the benefits are amazing. The problem is places that take the tax money and use it for bullshit stuff.
Considering the way he talks and his beliefs, I'm sure you knew he meant that.
Honestly, about the education thing I think there IS a middle ground. Anything STEM related or medical related should be automatically covered by the government given performance that meets the bar; anything language related you should be able to get reasonable scholarships that do enough to cover the cost without putting you in debt since translators ARE important... but liberal arts? Eh... there shouldn't be much government money going
Anyway, of COURSE I twisted his words, I was pointing out the absurdity of someone would be giving up if there were a way to voluntary give up taxes while losing the benefits.
Anyway, I don't think paying $700 billion a year on a military that, besides a nuclear war could literally take on the rest of the world at once is reasonable; it's actually the most unreasonable thing we spend tax money on; at least by about $300 billion.
Education should be solely the individual's/family's prerogative.
Our military is the backbone of the free world and the greatest deterrence against conventional war. Cut that and you'll have a right mess on everyone's hands
I think we can both agree on most of that.
Those bases are meant to project force on behalf of our allies, many of whom have structured their defense strategies around us.
Many of those weapons systems were cancelled for legitimate reasons. Like the XM8, PDWs, intermediate weapons systems, and so on.
You want to balance the budget? Go after entitlements and congressional pensions.
If you had the power to implement ever law as you saw fit would you do it? If you could just snap your fingers and do it; create your own US according to your ideals, would you do it?
a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class) Yes I quoted the dictionary; I did that to prove a point: this is gonna take 2 more posts.
Don't mean for a SJW lunatic liberal; those people are so opposite of fascists they are the exact same thing.
edit typed Px,... changed to Pz.
I wish we could add little gifs in comments. <----
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -tweety bird.
If you have to resist calling yourself a facist, you're a diet facist.
You agree with what they say, but you don't identify with the name, or do when it conveniences you.