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vitklim · 1 week ago
3. In terms of talking to other people about politics, don't let them push you around. Stand by your own opinion on the issues, and research if you need more information. And honestly, don't get into politics with people who you really care about unless it's necesarry. Research your own position, find out where you stand and why, and if you can talk to people about it, you can try convincing them that your position is correct, but don't expect guaranteed success. For instance, for the Australian election, I looked into the historical situation and policies of the running parties on aspects that mattered to me, and would be relevant to them, enough to convince them to vote Liberal (Ya'll can come at me if you want), because it's the lesser of two evils.
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But for a closing statement: Whatever position you take, you will likely end up as anti-establishment. The two main parties rarely give a shit about the common people, so the minor ones become the hope.
thethirdi · 1 week ago
I'm with you dude I fucking hate politics
scatmandingo · 1 week ago
If you really want to have some influence over the people governing you get involved with local politics and forget national stuff. No one gets too combative about the local school board or whatever. That way if someone is guilting you about paying attention you can just say that you do but you focus locally. They most likely won’t know anything about it and you avoid the arguments.
popsy · 1 week ago
Most everyone I know votes. It is very important to vote for the mayor,city counsel ,governor,ect as,well as the prisdent. The local government effects your life a great deal. My brother wasn't going to vote onetime, I told him to watch,The Patriot or Saving Private Ryan and then try and sit back an not vote. I pretty much guilted him into voting that day. We should all remember the extremely great sacrifice that was made to give us the right to vote and be thankful that we live in countries that have free elections (despite the corrupt assholes that we have to choose from).
scatmandingo · 1 week ago
@popsy That’s a load of horseshit. No US soldier has ever died in a war against an enemy that was directly threatening our freedom to vote. US wars have been exclusively about furthering or defending global political power. Watch the Patriot again. The main character is the archetype of what we now call a Terrorist. You want to vote, vote. Abstaining is a choice that people also have the right to make, don’t try to shoehorn “support the troops” rhetoric into it. You should respect their choice as much as they should respect yours.
1_puma · 1 week ago
@scatmandingo Thank you for that tall glass of refreshment! Absolutely, I will vote when there is a candidate that represents my values. However, one should understand that “the lesser of two evils” is not a prerogative (or should’t be) to vote. I do not generally discuss voting, because people get riled up. “Did you vote democrat? Oh, so you must have voted republican? No? What, third party? Well what the fuck did you vote for? Nothing? You’re un-American!” It’s rather annoying. You will lose discussing voting, because stupid will just be louder than you. Stick to your beliefs, don’t let anyone sway you, and if you choose not to vote...who the fuck cares? That’s your business, and no one else’s. As @scatmandingo had said, freedom for your country is not fought overseas. How the fuck does that even make sense? Just do your own thing, and let people do theirs.
chocolatefeces · 1 week ago
Dude, just do whatever feels comfortable for you. That's your choice as a freely choosing human being. I'm also Canadian, and also have zero interest in politics. I have never felt a desire to learn, because I have never felt that my vote matters. I know that everyone says it does. And maybe that's true and I'm wrong. But that's my choice, just like the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers. Although we're not hurting anyone by not voting, we're just choosing to opt out.
popsy · 1 week ago
I scatmandango didn't notice that the Japenese had Hawaii I their sights. Oh shit , I am jumping to conclusions again, of course the Japanese would have give any conquered Hawaians the right to vote, just like any other of the lands that they occupied.
popsy · 1 week ago
Do you really think that there would be free elections in Europe if the US had stayed out ?
1_puma · 1 week ago
@popsy You can’t know that for sure, and neither can we. It turned out how it turned out, and there’s no changing it. The only validity this carries in discussion is simply reference. Do you think I would have been a different person if my biological father raised me instead of my stepfather? Maybe, heck, probably...but again, highly irrelevant.
1_puma · 1 week ago
Also, we’re a community here. No need to be so hostile with your opinion. This discussion has boiled down to: believe what you wish to, and respect others’ beliefs as well.
popsy · 1 week ago
How was I hostile ?
1_puma · 1 week ago
Directly quoted, sarcasm and all:
“I scatmandango didn't notice that the Japenese had Hawaii I their sights. Oh shit , I am jumping to conclusions again, of course the Japanese would have give any conquered Hawaians the right to vote, just like any other of the lands that they occupied.”
1_puma · 1 week ago
I don’t care all that much, though. Just do you.
popsy · 1 week ago
You didnt notice his first word to me was , horse shit ?
1_puma · 1 week ago
I skim. I miss things. I’m human. I would say the same to scatman, then. Although, I still think you’re pissed off about something else and it’s carrying over to this chat. You alright?
scatmandingo · 1 week ago
@popsy Japan didn’t invade Hawaii nor ever had intention to do so. The attack on Pearl Harbor was to cripple the US fleet that was massing there because the US finally decided whether to join the Allies or the Axis. You see, that wasn’t a foregone conclusion because wars aren’t about our constitutional rights. If the US had believed that Hitler winning would have given them more global influence than the other way around they would have joined forces with him.
popsy · 1 week ago
Yeah Puma thanks. I'm just going to say that there are probably people out there, that still want to dominate their neighboring countries. The Soviet Union had very much planned to spead communism through out the world. Hilter would have turned to the middle east, and in modern times, the Muslim extremist and many in our own government would gladly restrict or remove the right to vote if folks don't defend it.
popsy · 1 week ago
Yeah, I was sarcastic, just my nature. I like most of scatmandingo's comments. I told story of what I said to my brother, it's not like I'm running the streets yelling for people to vote. I do think that if voter turnout was higher, that the government would be more inclined to be better.
1_puma · 1 week ago
Possibly, yeah. Some political practices need to change before people have more power first.