Leviticus is the third of the five Jewish holy books known collectively as the Torah
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For starters, the one about food is wrong. In the New Testament, it says we can eat any type of food we want, besides people of course. I think you mean people use the Old Testament against gays. Some of them are metaphorical and some are not. Also, you will not win any religious support if you insult them.
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...I'm Catholic, I pray and go to church every week. I was under the impression that we go by the new testament, without picking and choosing what to believe and live by from the Old one.
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The Old Testament is the Old Ways of the wandering tribes. That's why there is the New Testament, if you believe. It is up for interpretation and God gave us freewill. You could be wrong or they could be wrong. No one will ever know until the Day comes.
The point is, is that the "moral majority" Christian right always quote the Old Testament whenever the think something is "wrong." It always comes up when they think there should be a law prohibiting it and are trying to either get a law passed or stop one from being repealed.
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The problem is that they think they can pick and choose.
I'm christian i think divorce and premarital sex is wrong yet it's people's choice. i think gay marriage is wrong yet it's people's choice. it's wrong for my religion but others don't believe in the same thing and that's their choice. so don't target christians. we are already demonised by the liberal media so much that we can't even say 'merry christmas' or even have jesus in christmas. i agree we shouldn't be nasty to others. but we have are opinions and so do you.
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Guys, all of these comments directed to me telling me to lay off Christians and keep my beliefs silent 'like everyone else', look around. there are protests going on every day. Some for important reasons, some not. Some I agree with, some I don't. I have my own beliefs and will express them happily. Yeah, I"m a Catholic, and I stand by my words in this post. If you have a problem with me expressing my beliefs, go cry to your Mums. This is the internet, and not everyone will share or agree with your beliefs. They might ever (gasp!) have and express their own! Get the hell over it.
*sigh* This again. Look, there are a couple big problems with this argument. First of all, you're taking the laws out of context. That's like saying "when I was little my mom told me not to play with fire and not to kill people, but now she lets me build a campfire yet she still won't let me kill people, so she's a hypocrite!" Second, people do protest divorce and premarital sex. Third, there's more than just the bible saying it's wrong. I don't have a problem with the end point you're making, but please use a valid and intelligent argument!
Delivering a belief is one thing, but respecting different beliefs is key. I'm christian but i don't call any other belief shitty, its disrespectful and doesn't warrant anyone to care or listen to it.
These are all laws from the Old Testament, not New Testament. These laws were for people before Christ came, so we're not required to follow these laws anymore.
I'd like to make a point that some of this stuff (like the pig and beard stuff) is in the old testament and therefore doesn't apply to christians today like most people think it does. god told his people back then to do it for their own safety (such as pigs that carried some diseases). but i do agree that it is dumb that some "christians" think it's fine to have premarital sex and to get into a marriage that they know wont work. (just my opinions not please don't slaughter me.)
Please actually read the bible as a whole before you judge it
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Christianity is heavily based upon the New Testament of the translated Bible. The religion that only focuses on what is said in the Old Testament is Judaism. They don't believe Jesus to have been the son of God therefore they see it as a false text and therefore ignore it.
To my knowledge (Islam is a dry area for me) Islam is based on the prophet Muhammad and his account on Allah. Allah is an entity much like God in Christianity but aren't recognized as the same entity. Hence the huge gap in religious beliefs. I could be way off but thats what I know.
I'm pretty sure Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the three Abrahamic religions. Christians believe Jesus is the messiah, Muslims believe Mohammed was the Prophet, and Jews are still waiting - but the actual deity is the same.
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Judaism doesn't recognize messiahs or prophets in any way. Jesus was crucified by Jews because he claimed to hold the power of God and the word of God. Jewish believe that if someone claims to be God or that they are Godlike they are to be killed.
We'll I understand this whole thing about gays being mistreated, but what religious people? I mean think about it. Gays are treated bad because they are different. Religious people are different. Religious people are hated the most, because you don't believe in the same things.
I totally agree with you but Christians have been getting a bad rap because they show up at protests and openly hate them. Which is ironic since they are supposed to be known for the love that they have.
People bein concerned about their own lives a few million and then people actually trying to pay attention to real news such as people being murdered everyday and we aren't doing shit. Yet here we are going over a belief that obviously no one is going to change their minds on in either party. Wake up America and realize that right now any human rights that are being destroyed aren't in America it's around the world and no one here gives a shit.
Hey hey now, don't go insulting other people's beliefs. Look, I'm a christian, and I know it is not correct I mean to me same-sex marriage, but each to their own; however this post saying "your shitty beliefs" makes me angry because you are insulting something people believe in. What if I mocked your beliefs? Would you feel good? NO. You'd feel freaking offended. If I posted something against your beliefs you would probably be mad too. Try to see from our point of view in this sense, no one is perfect. As I said to each their own, but this is downright disrespectful. We all want to be accepted, yes, we all want our beliefs to be accpeted but we have to accept too that everyone has different opinions and we won't get everyone to agree to it whether it is Christianism or same-sex marriage. So stop insulting, because with it you won't get anyone to accept your things.
You know what the problem with this society is? That it is self-centered. And Christianism is not, it is Christ-centered and it is why people do not like it. "Ohh look its telling me how to live? Why should I do it? I don't like it telling me what to do I'm free" I know you'll feel really offended by this comment but it's the truth just look around and think how twisted and perverse this society has become, we (and I include myself and christians) are all egocentric creatures, even to the point of not exposing well our beliefs and making them look bad. Look, first of all get your facts straight, Leviticus is from the Old Testament, do not act before you have complete knowledge of what you're exposing.
It's the promise of eternity with the one who loves you. Who benefits from that? Christianity says, be good to other people for 80 years and you'll be rewarded forever. It's all about securing a reward for yourself.
However for people who believe in this, the way to get to heaven is to love God FIRST and whole-heartedly. Therefore, not entirely egocentric. Plus, it is not bad to want to know what happens to you after you die, if anything, completely natural. Viewing ALL Christian people as self-centered is quite pessimistic. In MY opinion, it is okay to wonder what will happen after you are gone. And if you are promised something that you believe in with a God you LOVE... Then it is okay. In my opinion, again, sorry if I offended you & I sincerely hope you have a good day:)
Appreciate your sensitivity =) I think it's dishonest to try to convince other people that you know what's going to happen to them after they die, which is just what Christianity (and just about every other religion) does. Christianity is particularly insidious to me, because it plays on people's vulnerabilities to grow its power: people desire pleasure, and fear pain, so you promise heaven and threaten hell, and they flock to do what you tell them is right.
I don't know if there's a god or not. To be honest I don't even think the question makes much sense, but the church has been at least as cruel as it has beneficent. I just think we'd be better off if we accepted that what happens after death is unknown until we die. That one truth would change so much.
Actually Christianity doesn't say "be good to people for 80 years and you get heaven". What we teach is get to know your maker, become more like him and when he comes back you get to be with him forever. Being good to other people doesn't make you closer to God. Being closer to God makes you good to other people and when he comes back you will be able to stand his presence and be with him forever because he wants to be with you too.
This is a very juiced down version of what we believe, there are two-hour long seminars just covering this subject and I hope I got the message across right.
I hope you also realize that I'm not bashing whatever you believe or trying to insult you in anyway, I'd just like to clarify that that is what we believe and teach and follow to the best of our ability even though a majority of so-called Christians misrepresent us. Have a great day!
If a majority of so-called Christians misrepresent what you've said, then what you've said isn't really what the majority of Christians believe. If you juice down what you've said even further, you get this: when he comes back you get to be with him forever. Which is still about personal reward, and the avoidance of personal punishment. I know a lot of fancy philosophical footwork has gone into rationalising and humanising Christian doctrine, but to me it's always been about leveraging human hedonism. For whatever end - that's not necessarily a bad thing in itself, it gets shit done, and the church has done amazing things. I think it's dishonest, though, and prone to corruption of the most parasitic kind.
But what's really so wrong with working towards being with someone you love? I think God wants to be with his people too or else he wouldn't be making a place for me in heaven. And I'm sorry but I don't see how it's dishonest. Though I do agree with you when you say it is prone to corruption of the most parasitic kind.
Well, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it, but the original point was that the problem with humanity is that it's self-centred and that Christianity is the answer to that, and I'm saying look, Christianity is totally self-centred.
The dishonesty thing for me is about certainty. Christians *know* that there's life after death. They *know* that the same god who created the universe also wrote the bible etc etc. I think that's dishonest. I don't believe anybody *knows* what happens to us after we die, and I think it's dishonest to try to convince people that you do.
I wish I could defend Christianity as a whole and say we don't convince people to believe in the life after death but unfortunately there are so many of them that just prove me wrong so all I can offer you is my own personal experience and belief. Which is, we shouldn't be convincing people to believe our convictions. Instead, if they're interested tell them and allow them to discover and discern and decide for themselves. I don't believe in life after death, honestly. I believe the dead are dead and know not anything as it says in Ecclesiastes and they will stay dead until God comes for the second advent. I also can't say who is going to heaven or hell in the end so all the protestors saying, "fags go to hell" have no right to decide that.
*begin rant* Ok... things like this make me so mad. Do people not understand the difference between the old testament (old covenant) and new testament (new covenant)? Learn what you are talking about before posting something like this because it's really inaccurate and out of context. Leviticus is about practices, NOT BELIEFS. Modern, people loving Christ followers shave their faces and get haircuts. Some even have feelings for the same sex. Does that make them less desired by Jesus? NO! He takes you as you are. For all those 'gay hating' people out there, learn to love. I don't agree with gay marriage, but will you see me in a protest shouting profanities? NO! I have homosexual friends and we get along wonderfully. Just because we have some different beliefs doesn't mean we have to hate each other. Jesus loves you. Yes YOU, just as you are. *rant over*
I've heard them described as "traffic laws" before. Like we have red means stop, green means go, which are laws that may or may not apply in the future.
For the fifteen billionth fucking time. I'm an atheist but even I know this. Leviticus has been "fulfilled" as believers call it and is a history book now. Someone on here even gave everyone a lesson on it. But nobody fucking listens you tunnel-visioned bigots.
There are people protesting those of these that are in the new testament. You don't hear about it as much, that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Stop being a jerk.
Nobody is telling anyone to be quiet about there religion or life choice. Its the matter of respecting eachothers choices. I have friends who are Athiest, Wickens, and Satanist. Im a Christian. I dont go around smacking the bible on people and shunning them, no thats not who i was created to be. I was created to love, to share my beliefe. But im NOT gonna sit here and push anything on anyone. You dont wanna hear ill stop. I have friends who are gay and lesbian and bi. Does that mean im goin to hate them. No i dont agree with there choice but i dont have to agree everything. You respect my choice ill respect yours. I might not support it but ill still love you the same as i would anyone else.
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The problem is that they think they can pick and choose.
To get the facts straight.
I don't know if there's a god or not. To be honest I don't even think the question makes much sense, but the church has been at least as cruel as it has beneficent. I just think we'd be better off if we accepted that what happens after death is unknown until we die. That one truth would change so much.
This is a very juiced down version of what we believe, there are two-hour long seminars just covering this subject and I hope I got the message across right.
The dishonesty thing for me is about certainty. Christians *know* that there's life after death. They *know* that the same god who created the universe also wrote the bible etc etc. I think that's dishonest. I don't believe anybody *knows* what happens to us after we die, and I think it's dishonest to try to convince people that you do.