If you're eighteen (or once you're eighteen, if you're not), then yes, there is. Vote. Contact your state and federal legislators, regularly. For the one on the left, support legislation to provide our youth with adequate sex education; that will help prevent pregnancy for women who medically can't carry or economically can't provide for a child. For the one on the right, support legislation providing support structures for children, i.e., education, school lunch programs, etc.
Actually, you don't have to wait till you're eighteen just to contact them. My mother was very pro-life and gave me an assignment when I was nine (I was homeschooled) to write to our state legislator about an anti-abortion bill. He said when I was fifteen that he still had the letter posted on his wall.
You can also donate to reputable charities or donate your time.
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i just want to say this, but i am po-choice. i believe it is the womans right to control what happens to her body, and that putting an unborn babies life before the mothers is stupid. she could have been raped, there could have been a birth control fail or a broken condom, the baby would die anyways or the mother will die, the mother could just not be ready for a child or want one, she could not be able to afford a baby, the list goes on and on.
we should focus more on helping and saving the children that are already born rather than focusing on a bundle of cells that isn't wanted by the mother. Having a baby should not be a consequence of sex, it could be life ruining to some people, even the fetus itself.
if you're truly pro-life, you'd put the lives of the living ahead of the ones that aren't even out of the womb yet.
and if you say adoption is the answer; it's really not. the world is already above capacity, and there's already enough children in orphanages that need families.
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1. for a llama you are not that sassy
2. i'm fine with your choices, but still life is important, whether unborn or born.
you want a choice? use birth control or keep your legs closed. It's about being responsible. And what about the father's choice? Maybe he doesn't want his child aborted. maybe HE would like to raise it.
But no, the woman gets to Choose. She can kill it, or make him pay for it for the next couple of decades.
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It's her body, she shouldn't be forced to have a baby if she doesn't feel she's ready. Birth hurts, the medical bills are expensive, the hospital bills for both the checkups and actual birthing could leave her broke.
As I said, there could be times where birth control doesn't prevent it, even though it's highly unlikely, and having a baby shouldn't be a consequence of having sex.
You want to save kids so bad? start with the ones that are already alive. You want to keep fetuses alive so badly? Well a lot of people who protect fetuses dint even pay mind to the kids who are dying because they couldn't be given substantial living conditions.
I get the guy might want the kid, but he shouldn't force her to give birth. If he wants a kid so bad, He should adopt.
One of the things I like to point out is that the woman has to carry the kid for nine ( close to ten ) months before having to go through painful labor. If a guy really wants a kid he should go find a woman who actually WANTS to have his kid since all he contributed was like 5 seconds of pumping. If you're putting the "life" of an unborn, undeveloped fetus over the rights and life of an already alive woman ( sometimes even a scared teenage girl ) just because she performed a normal natural act is insane. A woman should not have to give up her bodily autonomy just because she decided she wanted to fuck someone, especially not for a clump of cells.
Okay: NO UTERUS, NO OPINION
*points at Chubbee* I don't give an actual fuck about the father, if the mother doesn't want to carry a baby then she shouldn't be forced to!
*points at Sero* stop being obvious, condoms and stuff are used, but sometimes people forget or the stuff fails
"NO UTERUS, NO OPINION "
That's not how opinions work.
"I don't give an actual fuck about the father"
That's cool that your an asshole, I guess, but other people do care about the father.
I still find it weird how pro-choice people tend to ignore the argument about the child's right to life.
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I find it funny how pro-life people try to avoid and ignore the argument over the mothers life. it almost as if her life doesn't matter to you people, it's only the clump of cells that matters.
if she doesn't want the kid, too fucking bad, get over it. she shouldn't be forced to have the baby.
it's painful, it's expensive, it takes a lot of responsibility, it could possibly kill the mother, and it shouldn't be forced on her.
talk to me when it's the dad that has to be the one pregnant, until then, it's about the woman.
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aaand this is why i say women are in power of the country and the world.
they don't want to make the next generation because men pissed them off? don't have to.
don't like if a guy accidentally touched you? call rape and he will most likely commit suicide.
don't work as hard and not take higher paying specializations? call wage gap and literally have an entire state ruin the state's economy by giving women 'equal pay'.
abused? visit one of the millions of women's help centers while men have to suffer alone and toughen up and eventually kill themselves, leading to 4x higher suicide rate.
calling muh oppresion? you can walk the streets naked and not be arrested.
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ooooh no dont change the subject, we're talking about abortion here, not how you think women run the world because they want control over their own body.
maybe women just dont want kids? ever considered that? the things we do and the things we not arent always because men are the fuel. we have our own wants and needs too.
now let me say it again.
it is the womans body. she can do whatever she wants with it. she should not be forced to be in pain for 9+ months. she belongs to no one but herself.
if a guy wants a kid so bad, then be with someone that wants a kid too. easy as that. get the fuck over it, he isnt the one having to carry the child in his body and deal with the pains of having a baby inside of him.
Plus the moment you decide that women rent entitled to choose what happens with their own bodies no one else gets to. I saw a post somewhere once that put it we'll, basically it said that unless you're an organ donor they cannot take your organs when you die unless you've stated otherwise ( like in your will ). So by saying a person who is now DEAD gets to keep all their organs but a woman who still has a life to live cannot get an abortion ( up to a certain point unless it's for medical reasons ) is RIDICULOUS ( and lets be honest there's hardly any people that use it more than once, it should be limited so it isn't used as a form of birth control but I digress)
"it almost as if her life doesn't matter to you people"
It does matter, but the inconvenience of bearing a child isn't worth as much as a life.
"if she doesn't want the kid, too fucking bad, get over it."
Brilliant argument.
"it's about the woman."
What about the child?
" inconvenience " is getting stuck in traffic
Forcing a woman to give birth is ridiculous. It changes her hormones, and she'll either have a scar on her stomach for years or her vagina and bladder will never be the same, she also has to add pregnancy and all the doctor's visits to her schedule, as well as any costs like maternity clothes and those pregnancy pillows, among other things.
And even science isn't 100% when the life begins. Some agree that it starts at conception while others say not until a certain point ( different people say different things most believing a certain point of brain development ). And it's not fair to let other have the choice over a woman's body, especially if it's coming out of her time, pocket, and well being both mentally and physically. That's like saying gays shouldn't get married because you believe their love to be a sin, well if you don't like it then you don't get one. It's not YOUR body so it shouldn't be YOUR choice.
@diyrogue
"It changes her hormones, and she'll either have a scar on her stomach for years or her vagina and bladder will never be the same, she also has to add pregnancy and all the doctor's visits to her schedule, as well as any costs like maternity clothes and those pregnancy pillows, among other things."
Aside from the risk of a cesarean section, those are all literally inconveniences, fairly minuscule when weighed against a life.
"And even science isn't 100% when the life begins."
Then we should probably play it safe.
"And it's not fair to let other have the choice over a woman's body"
It's also not fair to kill a child before they have a chance at life.
"That's like saying gays shouldn't get married because you believe their love to be a sin"
Gay marriage doesn't involve killing someone.
"It's not YOUR body so it shouldn't be YOUR choice."
Who's "YOUR" here? The unborn?
@gamzee
That a weird kink, dude.
The fetus doesn't even have a proper body yet, it's literally a bundle of cells.
And no, they aren't inconveniences, those are life long issues women will have to deal with for their entire lives.
You need to put the life of the actual living already born person before the fetus.
And if you think being heavily and negativly mentally effected is just an inconvenience, fuck off. I'd like to see you live comfortably after going through what a mother that didn't want to give birth is forced to endure childbirth.
You know, we're giving you multiple reasons why abortion should be legal and why i's beneficial, and the only reasons you're giving are the "protection" of a bunch of cells and the feelings of the father who doesn't have to be the one to deal with the physical and mental effects of being the one pregnant (which could be easily solved by them just being with someone who is ready for a child or waiting for their partner)
"And no, they aren't inconveniences, those are life long issues women will have to deal with for their entire lives. "
Those can still be inconveniences, and I doubt maternity clothes and pillows fit in that description.
"You need to put the life of the actual living already born person before the fetus."
That's a false dichotomy. The mother doesn't die if she gives birth.
"And if you think being heavily and negativly mentally effected is just an inconvenience, fuck off."
I doubt bearing a child necessarily has as great an impact as you're suggesting. Is there a decent study on this?
"the only reasons you're giving are the "protection" of a bunch of cells"
The protection of a child's life.
"the feelings of the father"
Well the feelings of the father are sort of irrelevant any way if abortion is illegal, although I do think the father should have some say in a choice to abort the child, as fathers are generally seen to have some amount of responsibility to the unborn.
Hello, impartial party here.
For the sake of advancing the debate, perhaps you both should drop the argument about whether life begins in utero, no?
Carry on.
Well @famousone the main debate on abortion is when the life begins, so without that there is no argument or discussion
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· 7 years ago
you're not a woman, you dont understand the shit we have to go through with pregnancy.
Mothers CAN die if they give birth, actually you're twice as likely to die from childbirth than you were 30 years ago (https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2015/06/too-many-us-women-are-dying-during-childbirth-problem-not-paperwork ) and they can even rip from vagina to anus.
a fetus is not a child, it is a bunch of cells.
and the father shouldnt get to control the womans body, he has his own body to take care of.
abortions are needed. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/
and again, if we cant even take care of the children that are already in the world today, we dont need more unwanted children being born.
easy as that.
its easier to just allow legal abortions than have women trying to do it themselves and hurting themselves even more.
Remember when a bunch of women would die because they couldn't afford a baby so they had to do those back alley hanger abortions ? If you make abortion illegal you're literally going to cause more people to die than needed because you feel a clump of cells that doesn't have conciousness yet has more of a right to life than a person in the middle of theirs
@famousone
I didn't make an argument about that.
@thesassiestllama
"you're not a woman, you dont understand the shit we have to go through with pregnancy."
Have you gone through childbirth? Because by your logic only someone who has can understand, so if you haven't then you're in the same boat as me.
"Mothers CAN die if they give birth"
Sure, there's an element of risk, but not enough risk to justify ending a life in order to mitigate that risk.
"a fetus is not a child, it is a bunch of cells."
That's debatable, and because we're dealing what might be a life, we should play it safe.
"and the father shouldnt get to control the womans body, he has his own body to take care of."
A woman's right to control her body in a particular way doesn't trump a person's right to life.
"if we cant even take care of the children that are already in the world today, we dont need more unwanted children being born. "
That's problem would be solved much better with birth control and abstinence.
"Remember when a bunch of women would die because they couldn't afford a baby so they had to do those back alley hanger abortions ?"
That could possibly be solved by punishing the woman for having her child aborted.
Oh, also, I don't have a problem with abortion if the mother's life is significantly at risk.
No, it really won't help. Legal punishment as a deterrent is very seldom an effective concept. Otherwise the US would be a much safer place.
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@garlog yes, I have given birth, I was forced to after my birth control had failed me. Every moment of it sucked, everything hurt, and when I had to actually give birth, I felt like I was dying, in fact I almost bled out from ripping down there. No woman should have to go through that. What makes it worse is that my kid died anyways from lack of oxygen since the umbilical cord had wrapped around it's neck.
You want to fight for a child's life? Go fight for the ones starving to death in third world countries. Don't force women to have children. If we want to have sex, let us have sex without blaming us for accidentally getting pregnant.
@abel_hazard
"Legal punishment as a deterrent is very seldom an effective concept."
It's like, a third of why legal punishments exist. There are a lot of crimes I would have committed if they weren't illegal.
@thesassiestllama
"yes, I have given birth"
...Eh, your story seems a little too convenient to be true, but I'll take your word for it.
"Don't force women to have children."
You don't have to have sex.
"If we want to have sex, let us have sex without blaming us for accidentally getting pregnant."
I'm definitely going to hold you responsible if you get pregnant by doing the thing that'll get you pregnant.
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"I'm definitely going to hold you responsible if you get pregnant by doing the thing that'll get you pregnant."
That's like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for choking to death on a pizza pocket by doing a thing that'll get you to choke to death, otherwise known as eating'
Or like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for getting hit by a drunk driver because you did something that got you hit by a drunk driver'.
Sounds really stupid, huh?
Accidents happen, live with it.
"You don't have to have sex"
Yeah and you don't to do anything, but you still do
"That's like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for choking to death on a pizza pocket by doing a thing that'll get you to choke to death, otherwise known as eating'"
The actual purpose of eating is not to choke to death.
"Or like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for getting hit by a drunk driver because you did something that got you hit by a drunk driver'."
That depends entirely on what you did to get hit by a drunk driver.
"Yeah and you don't to do anything, but you still do "
What?
"The actual purpose of eating is not to choke to death "
And the " actual " purpose of having sex is procreation. Yet I'm pretty sure you and many people you know have had sex for pleasure not just for trying for a child.
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"The actual purpose of eating is not to choke to death. "
No, the purpose is to not starve to death
"That depends entirely on what you did to get hit by a drunk driver. "
It's the drivers fault for getting drunk and running your ass over
You don't have to do Jack shit, you don't have to talk, or walk, or eat, or sleep, or live, or do any sort of activity whatsoever, but hey look at that you still do. So don't bash women for having sex, when you yourself do unnecessary and unneeded things
Honestly I'm done talking to you
There's no talking sense into people who put a fetuses "life" before the mothers
@diyrogue
"Yet I'm pretty sure you and many people you know have had sex for pleasure"
Yes, with the knowledge of what the risks are of doing that.
@thesassiestllama
"No, the purpose is to not starve to death "
You misinterpreted what I said.
"It's the drivers fault for getting drunk and running your ass over"
Not if you're like "Hey drunk bro! Drive straight at me! I'm gonna jump over you car!"
"You don't have to do Jack shit ~ but hey look at that you still do."
Yes, and I accept the consequences of what I do.
"So don't bash women for having sex, when you yourself do unnecessary and unneeded things"
It's not about the action being unnecessary, it about taking responsibility for the actions you choose to take.
"There's no talking sense into people who put a fetuses "life" before the mothers"
It's not putting one life before another, abortions 100% result in the death of a child, while less than 1 in 5000 births result in the death of the mother. Again, that's a false dichotomy.
garlog: Sometimes aborting the child is thinking about the child. I have been an unwanted child who would have been aborted had abortion been legal in 1965. I have seen the life my unwanted, horribly abused nephews have lived and are currently living. I have seen the neglect and abuse of my students (yes I have called CPS) If a child is unwanted, they tend to be, at best, unloved and neglected and at worst abused. This is why I will always be pro-choice.
You can't know that any of that will happen to any individual, though. A person deserves the chance at a good life, not to have their life snuffed out before they get that chance.
And if whether an abortion should be performed is going to be based on the likelihood of success/happiness, what figure should be used as a benchmark, and should the mother even be a part of that decision?
The term "pro-life" specifically refers to a position on the question of abortion. That's what it was created for, that's the purpose it fulfills.
To say that someone is not pro-life because of their position or attitude on any other topic is to extrapolate that term beyond its intended context.
It's the same as saying that you aren't "pro-choice" if you don't believe a business owner can deny service at will or a person can't freely and openly carry a gun in a public place.
If you don't want people breaking context just to slander you, don't do it to them.
I've paid my own way for mission trips to a number of places, including Africa. Do I now have the right to have the opinion that an unborn baby is still a life?
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Oh stop with the poverty porn(it's not porn in the sense of enjoyment, but rather just the ostracizing of African problems). I understand that this is so hypocritical that it hurts, but that is not everywhere in Africa.
Sorry for the rant, I honestly agree with you.
Nowhere did this post say Africa
There's poverty porn in a bunch of places around the world, one of the other main ones being in India and that kid doesnt look black so I'm not understanding where the Africa part came from
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@serosenpai thank you for agreeing and not trying to start an argument.
i know it's not everywhere in africa, it's more so to get a point across to people who claim to be pro-life, but dont make any effort to protect children once they're born, even in terrible living conditions such as the ones the child on the right was born into
Actually, you don't have to wait till you're eighteen just to contact them. My mother was very pro-life and gave me an assignment when I was nine (I was homeschooled) to write to our state legislator about an anti-abortion bill. He said when I was fifteen that he still had the letter posted on his wall.
we should focus more on helping and saving the children that are already born rather than focusing on a bundle of cells that isn't wanted by the mother. Having a baby should not be a consequence of sex, it could be life ruining to some people, even the fetus itself.
if you're truly pro-life, you'd put the lives of the living ahead of the ones that aren't even out of the womb yet.
and if you say adoption is the answer; it's really not. the world is already above capacity, and there's already enough children in orphanages that need families.
2. i'm fine with your choices, but still life is important, whether unborn or born.
Me:
Me: they don't even have a brain
But no, the woman gets to Choose. She can kill it, or make him pay for it for the next couple of decades.
As I said, there could be times where birth control doesn't prevent it, even though it's highly unlikely, and having a baby shouldn't be a consequence of having sex.
You want to save kids so bad? start with the ones that are already alive. You want to keep fetuses alive so badly? Well a lot of people who protect fetuses dint even pay mind to the kids who are dying because they couldn't be given substantial living conditions.
I get the guy might want the kid, but he shouldn't force her to give birth. If he wants a kid so bad, He should adopt.
*points at Chubbee* I don't give an actual fuck about the father, if the mother doesn't want to carry a baby then she shouldn't be forced to!
*points at Sero* stop being obvious, condoms and stuff are used, but sometimes people forget or the stuff fails
That's not how opinions work.
"I don't give an actual fuck about the father"
That's cool that your an asshole, I guess, but other people do care about the father.
I still find it weird how pro-choice people tend to ignore the argument about the child's right to life.
if she doesn't want the kid, too fucking bad, get over it. she shouldn't be forced to have the baby.
it's painful, it's expensive, it takes a lot of responsibility, it could possibly kill the mother, and it shouldn't be forced on her.
talk to me when it's the dad that has to be the one pregnant, until then, it's about the woman.
they don't want to make the next generation because men pissed them off? don't have to.
don't like if a guy accidentally touched you? call rape and he will most likely commit suicide.
don't work as hard and not take higher paying specializations? call wage gap and literally have an entire state ruin the state's economy by giving women 'equal pay'.
abused? visit one of the millions of women's help centers while men have to suffer alone and toughen up and eventually kill themselves, leading to 4x higher suicide rate.
calling muh oppresion? you can walk the streets naked and not be arrested.
maybe women just dont want kids? ever considered that? the things we do and the things we not arent always because men are the fuel. we have our own wants and needs too.
now let me say it again.
it is the womans body. she can do whatever she wants with it. she should not be forced to be in pain for 9+ months. she belongs to no one but herself.
if a guy wants a kid so bad, then be with someone that wants a kid too. easy as that. get the fuck over it, he isnt the one having to carry the child in his body and deal with the pains of having a baby inside of him.
It does matter, but the inconvenience of bearing a child isn't worth as much as a life.
"if she doesn't want the kid, too fucking bad, get over it."
Brilliant argument.
"it's about the woman."
What about the child?
Forcing a woman to give birth is ridiculous. It changes her hormones, and she'll either have a scar on her stomach for years or her vagina and bladder will never be the same, she also has to add pregnancy and all the doctor's visits to her schedule, as well as any costs like maternity clothes and those pregnancy pillows, among other things.
And even science isn't 100% when the life begins. Some agree that it starts at conception while others say not until a certain point ( different people say different things most believing a certain point of brain development ). And it's not fair to let other have the choice over a woman's body, especially if it's coming out of her time, pocket, and well being both mentally and physically. That's like saying gays shouldn't get married because you believe their love to be a sin, well if you don't like it then you don't get one. It's not YOUR body so it shouldn't be YOUR choice.
"It changes her hormones, and she'll either have a scar on her stomach for years or her vagina and bladder will never be the same, she also has to add pregnancy and all the doctor's visits to her schedule, as well as any costs like maternity clothes and those pregnancy pillows, among other things."
Aside from the risk of a cesarean section, those are all literally inconveniences, fairly minuscule when weighed against a life.
"And even science isn't 100% when the life begins."
Then we should probably play it safe.
"And it's not fair to let other have the choice over a woman's body"
It's also not fair to kill a child before they have a chance at life.
"That's like saying gays shouldn't get married because you believe their love to be a sin"
Gay marriage doesn't involve killing someone.
"It's not YOUR body so it shouldn't be YOUR choice."
Who's "YOUR" here? The unborn?
@gamzee
That a weird kink, dude.
And no, they aren't inconveniences, those are life long issues women will have to deal with for their entire lives.
You need to put the life of the actual living already born person before the fetus.
And if you think being heavily and negativly mentally effected is just an inconvenience, fuck off. I'd like to see you live comfortably after going through what a mother that didn't want to give birth is forced to endure childbirth.
You know, we're giving you multiple reasons why abortion should be legal and why i's beneficial, and the only reasons you're giving are the "protection" of a bunch of cells and the feelings of the father who doesn't have to be the one to deal with the physical and mental effects of being the one pregnant (which could be easily solved by them just being with someone who is ready for a child or waiting for their partner)
Those can still be inconveniences, and I doubt maternity clothes and pillows fit in that description.
"You need to put the life of the actual living already born person before the fetus."
That's a false dichotomy. The mother doesn't die if she gives birth.
"And if you think being heavily and negativly mentally effected is just an inconvenience, fuck off."
I doubt bearing a child necessarily has as great an impact as you're suggesting. Is there a decent study on this?
"the only reasons you're giving are the "protection" of a bunch of cells"
The protection of a child's life.
"the feelings of the father"
Well the feelings of the father are sort of irrelevant any way if abortion is illegal, although I do think the father should have some say in a choice to abort the child, as fathers are generally seen to have some amount of responsibility to the unborn.
For the sake of advancing the debate, perhaps you both should drop the argument about whether life begins in utero, no?
Carry on.
Mothers CAN die if they give birth, actually you're twice as likely to die from childbirth than you were 30 years ago (https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2015/06/too-many-us-women-are-dying-during-childbirth-problem-not-paperwork ) and they can even rip from vagina to anus.
a fetus is not a child, it is a bunch of cells.
and the father shouldnt get to control the womans body, he has his own body to take care of.
abortions are needed. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/
and again, if we cant even take care of the children that are already in the world today, we dont need more unwanted children being born.
easy as that.
its easier to just allow legal abortions than have women trying to do it themselves and hurting themselves even more.
heres another link as to why we need abortion
I didn't make an argument about that.
@thesassiestllama
"you're not a woman, you dont understand the shit we have to go through with pregnancy."
Have you gone through childbirth? Because by your logic only someone who has can understand, so if you haven't then you're in the same boat as me.
"Mothers CAN die if they give birth"
Sure, there's an element of risk, but not enough risk to justify ending a life in order to mitigate that risk.
"a fetus is not a child, it is a bunch of cells."
That's debatable, and because we're dealing what might be a life, we should play it safe.
"and the father shouldnt get to control the womans body, he has his own body to take care of."
A woman's right to control her body in a particular way doesn't trump a person's right to life.
"if we cant even take care of the children that are already in the world today, we dont need more unwanted children being born. "
That's problem would be solved much better with birth control and abstinence.
That could possibly be solved by punishing the woman for having her child aborted.
Oh, also, I don't have a problem with abortion if the mother's life is significantly at risk.
You want to fight for a child's life? Go fight for the ones starving to death in third world countries. Don't force women to have children. If we want to have sex, let us have sex without blaming us for accidentally getting pregnant.
"Legal punishment as a deterrent is very seldom an effective concept."
It's like, a third of why legal punishments exist. There are a lot of crimes I would have committed if they weren't illegal.
@thesassiestllama
"yes, I have given birth"
...Eh, your story seems a little too convenient to be true, but I'll take your word for it.
"Don't force women to have children."
You don't have to have sex.
"If we want to have sex, let us have sex without blaming us for accidentally getting pregnant."
I'm definitely going to hold you responsible if you get pregnant by doing the thing that'll get you pregnant.
That's like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for choking to death on a pizza pocket by doing a thing that'll get you to choke to death, otherwise known as eating'
Or like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for getting hit by a drunk driver because you did something that got you hit by a drunk driver'.
Sounds really stupid, huh?
Accidents happen, live with it.
"You don't have to have sex"
Yeah and you don't to do anything, but you still do
The actual purpose of eating is not to choke to death.
"Or like saying 'I'm going to hold you responsible for getting hit by a drunk driver because you did something that got you hit by a drunk driver'."
That depends entirely on what you did to get hit by a drunk driver.
"Yeah and you don't to do anything, but you still do "
What?
And the " actual " purpose of having sex is procreation. Yet I'm pretty sure you and many people you know have had sex for pleasure not just for trying for a child.
No, the purpose is to not starve to death
"That depends entirely on what you did to get hit by a drunk driver. "
It's the drivers fault for getting drunk and running your ass over
You don't have to do Jack shit, you don't have to talk, or walk, or eat, or sleep, or live, or do any sort of activity whatsoever, but hey look at that you still do. So don't bash women for having sex, when you yourself do unnecessary and unneeded things
Honestly I'm done talking to you
There's no talking sense into people who put a fetuses "life" before the mothers
"Yet I'm pretty sure you and many people you know have had sex for pleasure"
Yes, with the knowledge of what the risks are of doing that.
@thesassiestllama
"No, the purpose is to not starve to death "
You misinterpreted what I said.
"It's the drivers fault for getting drunk and running your ass over"
Not if you're like "Hey drunk bro! Drive straight at me! I'm gonna jump over you car!"
"You don't have to do Jack shit ~ but hey look at that you still do."
Yes, and I accept the consequences of what I do.
"So don't bash women for having sex, when you yourself do unnecessary and unneeded things"
It's not about the action being unnecessary, it about taking responsibility for the actions you choose to take.
"There's no talking sense into people who put a fetuses "life" before the mothers"
It's not putting one life before another, abortions 100% result in the death of a child, while less than 1 in 5000 births result in the death of the mother. Again, that's a false dichotomy.
And if whether an abortion should be performed is going to be based on the likelihood of success/happiness, what figure should be used as a benchmark, and should the mother even be a part of that decision?
To say that someone is not pro-life because of their position or attitude on any other topic is to extrapolate that term beyond its intended context.
It's the same as saying that you aren't "pro-choice" if you don't believe a business owner can deny service at will or a person can't freely and openly carry a gun in a public place.
If you don't want people breaking context just to slander you, don't do it to them.
Sorry for the rant, I honestly agree with you.
There's poverty porn in a bunch of places around the world, one of the other main ones being in India and that kid doesnt look black so I'm not understanding where the Africa part came from
i know it's not everywhere in africa, it's more so to get a point across to people who claim to be pro-life, but dont make any effort to protect children once they're born, even in terrible living conditions such as the ones the child on the right was born into