Of course the scientific illiterate (Elon) would think they are a threat. He honestly has no concept of science. He is all hype and no reality. Most of his ideas are nearly a century old and were abandoned because they are simple impossible such as the SpaceX Rocket Travel or Hyperloop. Honestly, please stop thinking Elon is a genius. He is a smart man, but that doesn't mean every word from his lips are true.
1. Thanks for seeing my comment was a joke
2. I have a feeling the term “scientific illiterate” is a little innacurate for Elon Musk, you seem to have a lot of anger
I can't go in depth here, but there is a YouTube channel that explains why what Elon claims to make is actually, literally, and completely impossible. Here is his video on the HyperLoop which Elon is trying to claim is the "Transport of the future" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
Ok... but nothing you just said invalidates the fact the man self admittedly lacks scientific credentials. And the fact he wants to change the human race is somewhat admirable in a vacuum, until you consider that he wants to change humanity, has the means to make huge changes, but self admittedly lacks technical and scientific ability. That’s like saying it’s a great idea to go along with a 6 year old who wants to drive you to get ice cream. Their hearts in the right place, butthat doesn’t mean you should praise them for taking the car. Making a cult around a man worshipped for technical vision who has little or no technical knowledge is a terrifying idea. He wanted to help those kids in that mine too, and if he’s had his way they would have sent his toy subs and not trained experts. It’s not loosing your shit on someone to say they have a bad idea that of people invest time and energy in will be wasting it, even if the intentions are good. Intentions vs outcome. Simple.
AI is great... until it gets to the Singularity. Never let it get to the singularity.
I think Elon has a lot of wisdom about this. He's a very smart man, and unlike Zucc (who tbh is a bit too big for his boots for making a social media website) he actually has a really good company. He's like Tony Stark, where Zucc is... I dunno, a dumber version of Spiderman. Anywho, I think Elon is thinking along the lines of WALL-E. In the long run, people can become weaker, dumber, because AI helps them with everything.
Zucc is thinking mainly about the positives, and he's not wrong.
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Avoiding the singularity and having AI are mutually exclusive ideas. Eventually we will create something that can independently out create us and the future will become an unpredictable mess, which it kind of always was.
Pretty much. But our minds tend to go to dark places when confronted with an unknown future. So many predictions of how intelligent machines would seek to destroy or enslave humans. But why? There’s no reason to believe these machines would think like us, or even in a way we’d understand. Machines don’t have the needs, or likely the desires humans do. They wouldn’t have the instincts that lead to many of our negative actions or responses because they didn’t evolve in the physical world where those were survival imperatives. They don’t need to really even exist or interact with the physical world beyond a certain point, and might even view us somewhat like we do many animals or insects- something best left to itself as much as practical. Fear of unknown is fear of our own imagination, and reflects more on our minds than on the world or others.
@guest_ But here’s the thing for me: The upside of ‘machines might not even have physical bodies or might treat us with the same casual indifference as we do to animals’ doesn’t even come close to the downside of ‘machines might create very physical if not invulnerable war-machine bodies for themselves and treat humans with the same hostility as we do to animals’. We don’t know, good or bad, what happens after the singularity but, in my mind, the negative outcomes seem to far outweigh the positive ones. I don’t know if preventive measures are being (or even can be) put in place for downside protection. I have no issues with using AI to, say, solve energy problems or help us travel through space. But a sentient AI that’s infinitely smarter than its creator - a creator whose very history is defined by the strong killing off the weak - seems like nothing but bad news.
@granlobomalo- there are potential dangers for sure. Those dangers you mention come down to a fear of the unknown and a fear of loss of power or control. We can apply these dangers to most anything we see people scared of agressive towards in the world. We don’t understand and can’t really define sentience. We don’t know that a machine couldn’t achieve it on its own, or that it doesn’t just “happen” at some point. We don’t know how or if we can protect against it. Sentient AI brings up interesting questions. Hard questions about what life is and right or wrong. We don’t even know if it really is possible to create a sentient machine or if you just get a very advanced machine that still follows orders as programmed. But as you allude to- if it’s coming it’s inevitable short of a Dune esque Butlerian Jihad. The advantages of AI over those without make it inevitable that no major player in government or industry will want to give up that advantage especially if a competitor has it.
@guest_ Trust me. Fear has everything to do with it for me. I would vastly prefer the option that you mentioned where an advanced machine follows programmed orders versus sentient AI for the time being (or even a long time) until we figure out how to deal with the singularity if and when it comes.
There's an artist called Yuumei who does a manga-like webtoon that's somewhat based around that, I believe. It hasn't gotten very far, but still. Probably not super relevant, but felt like mentioning it anyway. Her artwork tends to be stunning
AI will change the world. Many of those changes will have good and bad points, just as the internet, the robot, the assembly line, the cotton gin, and even steel itself did. The world will be different. It won’t be the world you grew up in, and if you can’t or won’t adapt to the new ways it will be scary and foreign. The first time humanity picked up a stick it was a danger to the species. Zucc is a sack of crap. He wants humanity to Continue on a linear evolution of baser desires, served by technology that is advanced but just serves those base desires. Musk wants people to change while using iterative advancements of the same tools we have always used. Neither wants real change, like most any other powerful person else they just want to “change” the world to what their vision of the world “should be like” and like most “powerful” people they are scared of the unknown or that they can’t control.
2. I have a feeling the term “scientific illiterate” is a little innacurate for Elon Musk, you seem to have a lot of anger
I think Elon has a lot of wisdom about this. He's a very smart man, and unlike Zucc (who tbh is a bit too big for his boots for making a social media website) he actually has a really good company. He's like Tony Stark, where Zucc is... I dunno, a dumber version of Spiderman. Anywho, I think Elon is thinking along the lines of WALL-E. In the long run, people can become weaker, dumber, because AI helps them with everything.
Zucc is thinking mainly about the positives, and he's not wrong.