he's very likely not in another country, military personnel are moved around the country being based in different places in the US. A not small amount never leave the country. Even if we hit a period of peace we would still have a very large amount of military families that didnt move with their military member to whatever base they got assigned to and we would still have military people in bases in other countries like japan for example.
Well not complaining but I don't see being a soldier as something good or admirable or something that one can be proud of. It's not a good thing, I hope there is no moreneed for soldiers. It is a shameful business my man
Those two things are not the same. Most people do not want war. War is a terrible thing. Soliders are not.
As the saying goes:
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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Soliders are the men doing something. It's thanks to their blood and sweat and tears and time away from their families that any of us have the ability to voice a dissenting opinion at all. Not all soldiers are stand-up people, but that comes down to personality, not occupation.
Either way if being a soldier offends you to this degree then you are probably happier focusing on the fact that, whatever the reason, this man is far away from his daughter, and doing his very best to stay connected in spite of that. If you can't take even that bit of positivity away from this, than all I can say is that this is most assuredly not the post for you
Well I am happy for the fact that he can connect to his daughter. I am just saying to think about this in other ways as well. If we are going to be real, USA is the arms factory of the world, either convincing other nations to let them build bases in their countries or creating wars to feed that machine. There is peace in the majority of the world countries. Syria is fucked because US gave the protestors guns and amo to fuck up the country. People in Yemen are dying because US gave Saudia Arabia and the coalition bombs and shit to drop on hospitals and schools. I am waiting for them to find an excuse to invade Sudan too. Leaving out soldiers from the equation is kind of dishonest because they are the ones fighting and it is not mandatory so ...
You're holding soldiers as a whole entire group accountable for the potential actions of one government.
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But, by all means. We can go sit by the light of our lamps with shades made of human skin. And you can tell me more all about how you hate the people who died to try and stop that from happening. How deplorable you find the ones who lost limbs, who were tortured, who suffer lasting mental trauma that may never go away.
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I'm still not entirely sure why you felt such a strong need to take your views out on this particular person bonding with their daughter, but I suppose to each their own. After all, we're only being real here.
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If you truly want to take on a soldier, I may recommend famousone. I believe he'd be able to address your views. If you wish to discuss government, guest_ could likely offer some insight.
Here's an idea, how about if you hate the very concept of soldiers and obviously revile them so much, why don't you move somewhere where they haven't sacrificed everything to protect their country and people. Maybe Antarctica would be acceptable, since I don't think they have their own military force. Or you could just get off your self righteous high horse and not make an ass out of yourself over a sweet picture of a dad doing his best to be a dad.
Oh my god people, just stop it. It's a fucking job. Unnecessary, bloated shit JOB. they get paid, do you even understand that? I'm only saying he can go to fucking home and be with his daughter, what's so appaling about that? So I am wrong in saying soldiers shouldn't exist? Shouldn't kill people? Shouldn't kill each other? What the fuck js wrong with you all?
As I said: war is a terrible thing. No one truly wants it. Most people do not sit at home going "damn, I hope we can go destroy the lives of millions of people today in the most violent way possible."
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The fact that the reason behind them existing is terrible does not make the soldiers themselves terrible people, or something to be ashamed of.
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The argument you've so far presented makes as much sense to me as saying people abandoning their children is terrible, therefore orphanages should not exist, and working in an orphanage should not be considered admirable because the parents shouldn't have abandoned their kids in the first place.
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There's various reasons WHY wars happen. It's rarely a good reason for at least one side involved. But they do. Until everyone can agree to just hold hands and sing kumbaya together this is the reality we live in.
Do soldiers kill? Yes. They're willing to kill. Most don't enjoy it. They're also willing to die. They're willing to sacrifice.
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All this because wars DO happen. And they are the ones willing to protect their families, their friends. The random people they never will meet. So THOSE people don't have to protect themselves. So they don't have to fight and kill and submit and die. So they don't have to be tortured and enslaved and murdered and raped.
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So, yes, I do think soldiers are goddamn honourable. In a world with these kinds of atrocities, hopefully you never have to learn just how necessary they are.
do you know what happens to a country without soldiers? it gets roflstomped by a country that does. End of story. No buts no maybes no ifs. It WILL get roflstomped by another country.
if you want soldiers to be gone so bad i vote you to be the first to feel the repercussions of such a change
It's funny. So funny. You are all right. I'm sorry. I got carried away. As long as people exist, there will be war. There is no way to avoid it. I'm truly sorry if my arguments weren't clear and it seems insensitive to this guy. I hope he is always ok and I hope the war is finished soon so he can go be with his daughter and family.
As a Combat Medic in the United States Army, I feel I can contribute.
The US military is the biggest provider of foreign aid, international security, and infrastructure construction and maintenance in the world.
And it ain't just a job. We sign away our constitutional and human rights, are isolated from our families, moved constantly, and held to extraordinarily high standards. We wrote out a check payable to the people of the United States of America worth up to and including our lives, to be collected at any time. Even cooks and HR people are soldiers first.
Sorry but do you see the contradiction in your statements? Many of you soldiers are doing usual jobs and you are getting paid. It's voluntary work for any reason it is still voluntary. You chose this and you stick with it. I hope you and everyone is well. I'm not saying you aren't doing good things, but and there's a big but you are killing people. Are you not?
Sometimes people have to die.
Fascists, dictators, slavers, terrorists, and their ilk. For people to sleep peacefully in their beds at night, rough men need to be standing ready to do violence on their behalf. And it's best if these men are volunteers, lest the pressure push a conscript to becoming what must be destroyed.
Yeah soldiers defend countries but they are the ones who kill and are mainly killed. I don't understand the pride in that. I don't understand the glorification. And your sentence about defending the US. It's so ambiguous. Maybe you are defending the bases you erected in other countries. Don't think anyone is attacking the US. I'm not saying I understand anything, I am just saying just calm down, nobody is attacking you in the US. You are mainly the attackers, nobody is doing shit to you, killing people using drones and shit. Come on
@famousone yeah? Like when US soldiers killed the Afghan warlords who were fucking small boys? Or when they talked to prisoners in Abu Ghoreib. Or when the planes and bombs are used for killong children in Yemen for the Dictators in Saudi Arabia. Come on
I'm not gonna cry for terrorists.
Collateral is unfortunate, but we do take measures to avoid it. Unlike our adversaries.
And I'm not fond of the Saudis, but I'm less fond of the Iranians and their proxies who attack our allies and swear to destroy us.
Well first it was Russia, then came Cuba, then Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Libia, then Syria, then Yemen, now Iran, tomorrow it will be some other country, maybe Vietnam again or somewhere else. A lot of collateral my man
@asteroid- it’s a noble dream and someday we will live in a world where people who do hard jobs and make tough choices to protect others from having to do the same will not be necessary. Today we are not yet there. Today in the world if you created a utopia it would only last as long as you could defend it. Who stops other people from coming in and taking your little piece of life hmm? That is the job of a soldier. And yes- every man woman or whatever that serves a purpose is necessary for society, from Janitors to Truck drivers to Soldiers. What makes it different is that soldiers agree to give up their freedoms, to volunteer their very lives if need be to uphold the principals and protect the peoples of their nations.
They sign a contract and cannot leave whenever they want- a soldier is a soldier until their word has been fulfilled or they have failed to uphold it. The government is supposed to be for the people and by the people, with its people’s best interests at heart, and soldiers protect and secure those interests. In reality it doesn’t always work that way. The government may have corruption and its own agendas. That’s not on the soldiers- they follow orders because they do not have the whole picture and are trusting that what they are doing is vital and for the good of their countrymen. That is the fundamental flaw in your argument. Soldier is not just a job. What jobs ask you to completely give up your basic rights and possibly die if the job requires it that aren’t some sort of law or peace officer or soldier?
@famousone I knew you were in the army, I didn't know you were a combat medic. Were you interested in medic stuff (<- brain is dead, can't terminology, sorry) before enlisting? Or did you get involved in that after?
I am currently in the army. Almost been a year now.
Trauma care has always interested me, but I ultimately chose to be a medic because if and when one of my brothers gets hit, I want to know how to save him.
My AIT got me EMTB certification that I have to renew to stay MOS qualified, but the army also taught me some things that civilian EMTs aren't allowed to do.
Once I get through SOCM, I think I'll be paramedic certified, and only a few college credits from qualifying as a PA.
I don't know about navy corpsmen (their medics), but SOCM is a school their SARCs have to go through too.
I'll gladly clarify and answer any other questions.
As the saying goes:
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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Soliders are the men doing something. It's thanks to their blood and sweat and tears and time away from their families that any of us have the ability to voice a dissenting opinion at all. Not all soldiers are stand-up people, but that comes down to personality, not occupation.
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But, by all means. We can go sit by the light of our lamps with shades made of human skin. And you can tell me more all about how you hate the people who died to try and stop that from happening. How deplorable you find the ones who lost limbs, who were tortured, who suffer lasting mental trauma that may never go away.
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I'm still not entirely sure why you felt such a strong need to take your views out on this particular person bonding with their daughter, but I suppose to each their own. After all, we're only being real here.
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If you truly want to take on a soldier, I may recommend famousone. I believe he'd be able to address your views. If you wish to discuss government, guest_ could likely offer some insight.
@guest_
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The fact that the reason behind them existing is terrible does not make the soldiers themselves terrible people, or something to be ashamed of.
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The argument you've so far presented makes as much sense to me as saying people abandoning their children is terrible, therefore orphanages should not exist, and working in an orphanage should not be considered admirable because the parents shouldn't have abandoned their kids in the first place.
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There's various reasons WHY wars happen. It's rarely a good reason for at least one side involved. But they do. Until everyone can agree to just hold hands and sing kumbaya together this is the reality we live in.
'
All this because wars DO happen. And they are the ones willing to protect their families, their friends. The random people they never will meet. So THOSE people don't have to protect themselves. So they don't have to fight and kill and submit and die. So they don't have to be tortured and enslaved and murdered and raped.
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So, yes, I do think soldiers are goddamn honourable. In a world with these kinds of atrocities, hopefully you never have to learn just how necessary they are.
if you want soldiers to be gone so bad i vote you to be the first to feel the repercussions of such a change
The US military is the biggest provider of foreign aid, international security, and infrastructure construction and maintenance in the world.
And it ain't just a job. We sign away our constitutional and human rights, are isolated from our families, moved constantly, and held to extraordinarily high standards. We wrote out a check payable to the people of the United States of America worth up to and including our lives, to be collected at any time. Even cooks and HR people are soldiers first.
Fascists, dictators, slavers, terrorists, and their ilk. For people to sleep peacefully in their beds at night, rough men need to be standing ready to do violence on their behalf. And it's best if these men are volunteers, lest the pressure push a conscript to becoming what must be destroyed.
Collateral is unfortunate, but we do take measures to avoid it. Unlike our adversaries.
And I'm not fond of the Saudis, but I'm less fond of the Iranians and their proxies who attack our allies and swear to destroy us.
Trauma care has always interested me, but I ultimately chose to be a medic because if and when one of my brothers gets hit, I want to know how to save him.
My AIT got me EMTB certification that I have to renew to stay MOS qualified, but the army also taught me some things that civilian EMTs aren't allowed to do.
Once I get through SOCM, I think I'll be paramedic certified, and only a few college credits from qualifying as a PA.
I don't know about navy corpsmen (their medics), but SOCM is a school their SARCs have to go through too.
I'll gladly clarify and answer any other questions.