What an odd argument that always is. Humans can’t understand or agree upon a purpose behind life let alone even understand what death is- yet we assume that it is pointless or negative or superfluous. If a Devine being created life with purpose, it created death with purpose. If that being didn’t tell us that purpose- there would then be reason again for that. The fact we can’t understand a reason or see it doesn’t imply evil or malice. That’s a very xenophobic way of thinking- “I don’t understand this so it’s bad...” Bad feelings come of it sure- but a baby may get bad feelings when it must get a shot or take some medicine- are those things bad?
If we say there is an omnipotent being who created all- then all that happens would be because that being made it happen, or because that being allowed it to happen. Without knowing what that being knows, without omnipotence and knowing the “why,” we can’t say. We know that there are observable rules to our reality and if such a being exists they put them there- if nonsuch being exists then that’s the nature of things, and either way it is just how it is. Whatever control you have in the universe if any- is limited to you. You control what you say and do. You control wether YOU murder children or stop others from doing it or do nothing about it.
People who believe and even those who do not believe in a god like to blame such a god for the ills of the world- but where is self accountability in that? Most religions hold a person will be judged for their wrongs- which implies they are responsible for their wrongs.
I do believe in God.
But i don't blame him for the ills of the world. Did he know they would happen? Yes. Humans are the why though, our flaws, fallibility, and imperfection cause them. But we can try and be better.
sorry if this comes off as preachy, i don't intend to be that way.
It’s not a hard concept to grasp- that’s much how countries work. They provide laws and services and punishment and aid as their mandates dictate- but you still have your will- you aren’t part of a hive mind. We can only speculate “why” for any of it- or what purpose underlies the reasoning. Only a bafoon or a delusionally conceited person would think they could debate an omnipotent being divine or not. An intellect that could create reality itself is a little out of your league.
and I don't agree with the argument that Theists don't believe in Science.
I don't fully agree with all of the theories that Science has, but Scientific facts, I do believe in.
God created it, but it's a machine that must also function without him commanding it to do so every second.
No part of religion invalidates science. No part of science invalidates religion. Nothing about believing in science makes one smart, nothing about believing in religion makes a person dumb. Eventually we run out of answers and ways to get them and have just what we know and what we don’t with no way to prove it. Religion or not all life relies on faith because we don’t have the answers and at some point just have to believe whatever we believe.
But i don't blame him for the ills of the world. Did he know they would happen? Yes. Humans are the why though, our flaws, fallibility, and imperfection cause them. But we can try and be better.
sorry if this comes off as preachy, i don't intend to be that way.
I don't fully agree with all of the theories that Science has, but Scientific facts, I do believe in.
God created it, but it's a machine that must also function without him commanding it to do so every second.