There literally aren't any communist countries in existence as far as I know. Not large ones, at any rate. All the ones that claim to be do not actually practice any form of communism and are, more often than not, full-blown dictatorships. But dictator is an ugly word so they can't call it that. Not that it really matters, but in scenarios as serious as this it feels like a misrepresentation of what's actually going on, and the news (particularly in China) already misrepresents more than enough to last a lifetime
China claims to be but they seem to fall short in certain ways. I don't know anything about Laos, and little about Vietnam. Maybe rosalinas has some insight there. Either way, we can agree to disagree or whatever
Pure communism doesn't exist. It literally can't exist... so basically you just have countries that call themselves communist. It's like NK calling themselves a Democratic People's Republic. That's BS. It's a dictatorship and we all know it. At this point, I'm not sure calling the US a Democratic Constitutional Republic is accurate.
This is a good reminder of how important basic freedoms are!
You cant the freedom to make a better life for you or your family AND have a government that promotes equal outcome for 'everyone'. I say 'everyone' because the ruling class is above 'everyone' in a communist system.
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Part of having freedom of speech is having the freedom to say ignorant things. It also allows for people who disagree to voice their beliefs. It's painful but that's how dialog begins. Silencing/sponsoring speech is a mistake REGARDLESS of the reason.
They've been covering it in Canada. Not as extensively as I'd like, but they have been covering it. I feel so bad for those people, and HOPE they succeed. I hope the world actually intervenes and this doesn't end up as just another Tiananmen Square. Hong Kong was promised 50 years of autonomy and China's fragile little ego couldn't even handle that.
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The police have been beating the protesters bloody. Some have their faces and eyes bandaged up but are not backing down. The protesters have been fighting back with everything they have.
I've seen more covered from Russian forums and news sites.
I've seen footage of protesters minding their business and police randomly attack to provoke them.
It's just pretty frightening having an entire country use brute force on a small place because they aren't getting their way. Plus using armored trucks is odd to be calling it a military exercise.
Keep in mind the country in question is the same one that actively censored and blanked out a very violent part of their history (Tiananmen Square) to the point many of its residents don't even know it happened. People literally get black bagged and disappear, or imprisoned or killed.
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I can't begrudge Hong Kong almost anything it does in this fight.
Knives, bullets, bombs.
Whatever it takes to make some noise.
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You're an oblivious little boy with a gun fetish. Chinese army will crush them to a pulp when they're showing the first gun, their only chance is peaceful protest. They're ready and waiting in Shenzhen and other places, and they're not to ones for empty threats.
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And if China decides to slaughter them, what's going to happen? Nothing really happened after Tianmen and China was not a fraction as important then, politically and especially economically, as they are today. All our governments will do is sending thoughts and prayers, and some will sort of criticize China and that's it. What are we going to do? Boycotting chinese made products? That's cute....
Peaceful protests against the CCP aren't like peaceful protests against Britain or the US. They're going to be massacred or unpersoned again, just like every time before the people have to tried to make themselves heard.
Mao himself said that "Political power flows from the barrel of a gun", so he made sure nobody outside the party had any guns, because only the party could have power.
At the rate the protesters are going, they're dead anyways. See what the secret police do when they have to worry about anybody they try to bag and grab shooting through the door, see what the world does when it devolves into a proper civil war, rather than some "mysterious" disappearances and suicides.
Blood cries louder than chants ever could.
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Yeah, like I expected, blah blah blah. Fact is that your "If only they had some proper rifles." and "Knives, bullets, bombs. Whatever it takes to make some noise." was just some random, irrelevant bullshit. I guess that's as close to confessing exactly that as you can possibly get. So I book this as a "You're right Hamma, as usual"
Are you actually incapable of having any kind of civil discussion? I'm genuinely curious. Sometimes it almost seems like you have a point, but then you go off like this and it turns everything you've said into the obnoxious whining of a child who cannot defend the stance they took. Which is a shame because it would be nice to actually see you defend it for once, not just declare it and then spout off irrelevant nonsense at the first sign of response.
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Still, at least you can give yourself backpats. That counts for something, I'm sure. Nothing particularly GOOD, but something nonetheless.
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Also @famousone I have a suspicion we have have unmasked your downvote stalker
In HDHH's defense, China taking Hong Kong by force wouldn't be that hard. It would be terrible for foreign relations, but all they'd really have to do is just blockade them and shoot down any plane in the vicinity. It's not like Hong Kong is that big. Plus, with a city like that, why the fuck would you even want to trample it? You'd want to keep it intact.
The rest of what HDHH said though... Idk...
Plus, Hong Kong is technically a part of China, they just let it operate independently for the most part. This would be like if Guam wanted to dip from the US.
Except... we'd let them. Conditionally of course, but without bloodshed or unperson-ing anybody.
There's historical precedent telling us how China will respond, what use is trying the same thing for the umpteenth time?
That's because Guam is more or less only a part of the US for military reasons. Hong Kong is a part of China for economic reasons. I mean, it's like... right there.
So, as long as we could keep a military base there, yeah, we'd let Guam go.... but imagine if Guam said no.
It's always on the news over here, I don't know whether you meant Online Newspapers or just overall. They're currently protesting in their airport, it's really sad. The fact China has so much control over them is frustrating but the determination these people of Hong Kong have to protest against them is amazing.
Tbh I'm still really hoping Britain puts it's foot down. If they do then there's a chance Canada and (more specifically) America will follow, and maybe a few others besides. China may still not listen to reason but it's a start.
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I do sincerely hope just that but unfortunately, I remember how all that went down when England threw Hong Kong right under the big yellow bus. I'm afraid money will talk louder than anything else. Too bad BoJo thinks morals and ethics are contagious diseases.
Maybe a crate of M4s, 240Bs, and SMAWs will "accidentally" end up in Hong Kong.
Or something a bit more British, considering it's their pie at stake.
Ya know, Cold War style shenanigans.
You cant the freedom to make a better life for you or your family AND have a government that promotes equal outcome for 'everyone'. I say 'everyone' because the ruling class is above 'everyone' in a communist system.
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Part of having freedom of speech is having the freedom to say ignorant things. It also allows for people who disagree to voice their beliefs. It's painful but that's how dialog begins. Silencing/sponsoring speech is a mistake REGARDLESS of the reason.
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The police have been beating the protesters bloody. Some have their faces and eyes bandaged up but are not backing down. The protesters have been fighting back with everything they have.
I've seen footage of protesters minding their business and police randomly attack to provoke them.
It's just pretty frightening having an entire country use brute force on a small place because they aren't getting their way. Plus using armored trucks is odd to be calling it a military exercise.
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I can't begrudge Hong Kong almost anything it does in this fight.
Whatever it takes to make some noise.
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And if China decides to slaughter them, what's going to happen? Nothing really happened after Tianmen and China was not a fraction as important then, politically and especially economically, as they are today. All our governments will do is sending thoughts and prayers, and some will sort of criticize China and that's it. What are we going to do? Boycotting chinese made products? That's cute....
Mao himself said that "Political power flows from the barrel of a gun", so he made sure nobody outside the party had any guns, because only the party could have power.
At the rate the protesters are going, they're dead anyways. See what the secret police do when they have to worry about anybody they try to bag and grab shooting through the door, see what the world does when it devolves into a proper civil war, rather than some "mysterious" disappearances and suicides.
Blood cries louder than chants ever could.
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Still, at least you can give yourself backpats. That counts for something, I'm sure. Nothing particularly GOOD, but something nonetheless.
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Also @famousone I have a suspicion we have have unmasked your downvote stalker
The rest of what HDHH said though... Idk...
There's historical precedent telling us how China will respond, what use is trying the same thing for the umpteenth time?
So, as long as we could keep a military base there, yeah, we'd let Guam go.... but imagine if Guam said no.
Or something a bit more British, considering it's their pie at stake.
Ya know, Cold War style shenanigans.