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famousone
· 4 years ago
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Start your own business and run it like that. Maybe it'll catch on
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bluefrost51
· 4 years ago
Better yet make a business model where the employees are allowed to insult you back. Nothing like some friendly banter before a meal.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
The customer isn’t always right. A major point of sales people and the like is SUPPOSED to be that they have knowledge on their product and the subject and can tell the customer what their product is good for and help them find the best product for their needs. We perverted that between changing sales roles to either people who are just there to sell you the product that makes them to most wether it’s best for you or not, or to unprofessional non knowledge based workers who are more or less there to hand you what you ask for; and by in do doing creating a relationship where consumers have to be their own product experts and rely on their own knowledge and research and largely ignore the sales person as an adversary- which in the case of less apt folks can cause problems since their judgment is not the best but it is all they have.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
It’s all just whoring out for cash- but to the embittered worker- lest we not forget that when we agree to work under such conditions for money we too are whoring ourselves out for money. Yes, sadly there often aren’t realistic options for short term financial support. But that is precisely what they are relying on. The desperation of the many feeding the machine. Being a part of the problem from necessity is still being a part of the problem. People treat us the way we allow them to treat us. In retail work- it is often a matter of policy that we are supposed to allow this. In other words- we do not stand for our dignity because we fear we won’t get paid- our dignity and principal takes a back seat to our desire to get paid and we have sold our dignity- often for a very low price.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
It isn’t the workers fault. I don’t mean it negatively. Just factually. It’s the whore wars. The same threat companies face. If you refuse to work at Mc retailer X because you won’t be a party to their whoring- or you will but your dignity is worth more money... someone else will do it. Isn’t that a major part of fear from undocumented labor and outsourcing? There’s always someone who WILL take that deal. So you end up with nothing material and they end up with a job even if it sucks it’s generally better than nothing- or else why would people take shit jobs? They are just better than nothing.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So companies whore because some other company will and then they’ll lose out on material gains. Employees who’re themselves out because of they don’t, they lose on material gain and someone else will do it. Companies treat the employees like crap partly from necessity of whoring and partly because if they had a better option they’d take it. Consumers treat employees like crap to get what they want because they get something and the employee cant do anything because if they could- they’d be somewhere else. It’s generally a “no lose” for the person trying to force you to take their expired coupon- save perhaps dignity and principal- which as we have established isn’t worth much to most people even compared to very little gain.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
It’s a social problem that we are a party to. Wether we make $200 an hour or $200 a week we all try to get the most of our money right? But especially if you make $200 a week. So payday comes and what do people do? We look for the cheapest deal. We buy the knock off instead of the original because it is just as good but it costs way less. We pirate and copy things. We shop for the lowest price and buy from whoever has it cheapest. We need a table so we buy the $20 IKEA one or amazon. That $400 one made by a local craftsman is nice but $400? You’d have to save a long time for that and it’s just a table... besides- if you get the ikea table for $100 you can also get the chairs and a fruit bowl!
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guest_
· 4 years ago
But now you are part of the problem off the clock. To sell that ikea table for $20 ikea is doing the same thing to you that your employer is but to their employees. You’ve created another wage slave because we want more. We don’t want to spend 10 years saving and building up our homes with quality things from well treated employees while we do without until we can afford to buy it. We want it now and cheap.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
The consumers asked for it- the consumers got it. We live in the world we asked for. Every time you look around- look at old sci go movies. Look at them now and then look at the world in 30 years. We are living in the future that everyone thinks looks so cool in the movies. The problem is that in the movies you aren’t living there. You see the world from the protagonists perspective. We are in blade runner but you’re just on of those people walking around on the street- not some cool replied hunter or rich cyber executive. For the extras in most sci fi movies- the world sucks.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
We created this and continue to create it through our choices. The rich are supported by those they pimp out and the retail worker and the middle class joe are pimping out each other or people in the under developed world, migrants and others “below” them to support their need for more. More toys and new toys, new clothes every year or every month or week. Disposable conveniences and gadgets to make life easier and make you happy. Cheap crap made by people we all say we hate but we keep giving them what they want and we keep taking their money and abuse don’t we? Like good little whores.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Do you know how much Jeff Bezos makes from Amazon? About $80,000 a year. He also doesn’t take stock pay outs. He makes 4x what a warehouse worker makes. There is one of him running a company- and how many warehouse workers? Did you know that the founders of Google, CEO of oracle, and even Steve Jobs company salary was $1 a year? Yes. They have other instruments to make money- but these guys aren’t soaking up some huge amount of company earnings and using it for themselves while employees suffer exactly. That’s not an accurate picture. What’s more- Bezos took from 97-2020 to make his $100billion. Let’s just call that 20 years. So say we took his ENTIRE net worth and we divided it over 20 years and added it to the pay of amazon employees? That would give us about $6500 a year extra for each employee. Not a small number- but also not exactly life changing.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
That would give the average warehouse worker a salary of about $35,000 a year. About $220 a pay check. And not sustainable given that $100b is largely accrued stock value- which the liquidation of the founder I am sure can only help.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
My point is that it’s all more complex and less easy to examine than we seek to think. That said- regardless of economics being rude to service people is just plain wrong.
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lolcats121
· 4 years ago
Jeff Bezos doesn't deserve to be defended at all. He doesn't pay his employees properly and the conditions they work in are awful, so please stop sucking his dick.
guest_
· 4 years ago
If I was sucking his dick I’d be a lot richer homeboy. He can defend himself. I’m using him as an example. As I said- his treatment of employees is wrong. But the popular sentiment that we could magically fix all this by cutting down some billionaires doesn’t hold up to logic. Read a book. It’s called velocity model.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
If I make 1 billion dollars off selling $5 sunglasses- I paid the guy making he glasses and trucking the glasses and all the employees etc $3 of those dollars and kept $2 each pair. I have a billion because half a billion people gave me $2. If you cut it to $1 or even just take all my money- you can give those half a billion people $1-2. That doesn’t really help most folks. If they didn’t buy the glasses they’d have $5 anyway which is 5x more than $1 if the math is confusing you.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
My point wasn’t that Jiffy Jeff is a great guy- my point is that it’s far more complex than people make it out to be, and that we all have an actual ability to change it on our own if we decide to stop giving Jeff Bezos money.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
In the case of Amazon- most of its profit actually doesn’t even come from consumers. They run server farms and big data for companies. The “cloud,” if you’ve ever heard of that? When you are running cloud based applications that money is going places like Amazon and google and the guys that own the servers and the software.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So some company that streams music or lets you watch your dogs from work or wash your car using WiFi or whatever bs- pays Amazon a truck full of money to host them so they don’t have to buy and maintain the equipment. Then they charge you money and give a chunk to Amazon. The guys running the servers get paid a bit more to do that than a warehouse hand because one of them can do the others job (even if poorly,) but not vice versa- it’s harder to find one than the other. Then every other company has to jump on the cloud or be left behind because the consumer is moving that way.
guest_
· 4 years ago
When people say “screw physical media- I’ll stream it all...” you don’t think that impacts people you don’t see every day? That such a huge shift doesn’t change anything? Consumers lead the demands that businesses then try to meet. Businesses then often compete and it’s easier to “lower” their tactics than elevate their game. Then consumers reward the business that wins the “I’m the lowest, shadiest company” war by giving them money.
guest_
· 4 years ago
Tl:dr- corporations do bad things to give us what we ask for. Like your friend brining you a PS4 but you find out he beat up a child and stole it. But you want the PS4 so even if you CALL HIM a sack of shit- you take the PS4 and pay him $100 because that’s better than any Black Friday deal. And he does it again and you pay him every time. So if you’re being rewarded for something why would you stop doing it? Stop buying shit from people who you think are garbage. It’s cheap because the price was paid in human misery. That’s how it works.
