So if I'm not at risk, or have already been infected at least once without even realizing it, and other people with masks and/ vaccinations can still catch it, and the vaccine comes with a non-zero chance of immediate and potentially lethal harm, with long term effects entirely unknown, the point is..?
Vaccinated people can still catch COVID. The point of this particular set of vaccines is to lessen the effects of the novel coronavirus so an individual doesn't die or have to be admitted to the hospital once they're infected.
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Also, please state your source on "the vaccine comes with a non-zero chance of immediate and potentially lethal harm." I have been tracking any credible reports of petite dying via any of the vaccines. There's the potential for anaphylaxis in all of them, which is why everyone who gets any of the vaccines has to be observed. The j+j one has the potential for blood clots, so it was pulled before anyone died.
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From what I've read, zero people have died or been hospitalized from COVID once getting vaccinated, and zero people have died from getting vaccinated. Where are you getting your info?
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@adam44, when someone is out risking their own life and the lives of others to the point where others feel like they have to intervene, who is the actual asshole? :)
Breathing the open air isn't any more or less a life threat then it was 2 years ago.
The vaccine has killed people, even mainstream media can only *try* to downplay that, so there is a non-zero chance.
We know absolutely zero about long-term effects.
I've fucking had covid at least once without even realizing it, so I'm good. Thanks.
The asshole is always the one who tries to violate another's privacy, autonomy, and choice. This has never changed.
It's was a trick question. The answer is: everyone. Everyone is an asshole :p And we're all getting f*cked by COVID and handling it our various ways.
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It's very simple. Some behaviors spread germs and some behaviors don't.
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Over 230,000,000 doses of the vaccine have been administered in the US. 3,800 people have died in close proximity to getting the vaccine. To put that in perspective, approximately 4,600 Americans have died of COVID in the last 7 days.
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This is important: each of the 3,800 deaths have been investigated. Of the investigations that have been concluded, 0 (zero) of them were attributable to the vaccine. That's why I asked for a source. I would be very interested to read a primary source (not any mainstream media bs or a Chicken Little the-sky-is-falling tin-foil-hat disinformation site), a *primary source* detailing a human death directly attributable to the injection of the COVID mRNA segment.
I feel like on a post pointing out the logical inconsistencies the CDC has been guilty of, citing the CDC as the source we should be basing our opinions on in the matter may not work entirely well
Fair enough on the CDC, haha
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The CDC has been inconsistent. They've also corrected inconsistencies, as far as I know. I only cite them because they're a primary source, they're science based, and I trust the body of work they use to make their decisions. If you disagree with any of those assertions, you'd want to dig deeper.
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As I asked famous earlier, I would like to read about the deaths the vaccine has caused. So far, I have heard vague rumors but I haven't read about any cases where getting the vaccine directly caused someone's death.
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I am only speaking up because I don't want someone to be scared of getting the vaccine and make a choice based on what seems to be disinformation. But if this isn't a rumor and thousands or tens of thousands of people are actually dropping dead because they got injected with this mRNA vaccine, then I would like to discourage my friends and loved ones from risking their lives on something potentially worse than COVID.
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Also, please state your source on "the vaccine comes with a non-zero chance of immediate and potentially lethal harm." I have been tracking any credible reports of petite dying via any of the vaccines. There's the potential for anaphylaxis in all of them, which is why everyone who gets any of the vaccines has to be observed. The j+j one has the potential for blood clots, so it was pulled before anyone died.
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From what I've read, zero people have died or been hospitalized from COVID once getting vaccinated, and zero people have died from getting vaccinated. Where are you getting your info?
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@adam44, when someone is out risking their own life and the lives of others to the point where others feel like they have to intervene, who is the actual asshole? :)
The vaccine has killed people, even mainstream media can only *try* to downplay that, so there is a non-zero chance.
We know absolutely zero about long-term effects.
I've fucking had covid at least once without even realizing it, so I'm good. Thanks.
The asshole is always the one who tries to violate another's privacy, autonomy, and choice. This has never changed.
,
It's very simple. Some behaviors spread germs and some behaviors don't.
,
Over 230,000,000 doses of the vaccine have been administered in the US. 3,800 people have died in close proximity to getting the vaccine. To put that in perspective, approximately 4,600 Americans have died of COVID in the last 7 days.
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This is important: each of the 3,800 deaths have been investigated. Of the investigations that have been concluded, 0 (zero) of them were attributable to the vaccine. That's why I asked for a source. I would be very interested to read a primary source (not any mainstream media bs or a Chicken Little the-sky-is-falling tin-foil-hat disinformation site), a *primary source* detailing a human death directly attributable to the injection of the COVID mRNA segment.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths
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The CDC has been inconsistent. They've also corrected inconsistencies, as far as I know. I only cite them because they're a primary source, they're science based, and I trust the body of work they use to make their decisions. If you disagree with any of those assertions, you'd want to dig deeper.
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As I asked famous earlier, I would like to read about the deaths the vaccine has caused. So far, I have heard vague rumors but I haven't read about any cases where getting the vaccine directly caused someone's death.
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I am only speaking up because I don't want someone to be scared of getting the vaccine and make a choice based on what seems to be disinformation. But if this isn't a rumor and thousands or tens of thousands of people are actually dropping dead because they got injected with this mRNA vaccine, then I would like to discourage my friends and loved ones from risking their lives on something potentially worse than COVID.