I mean the wall is gonna get build wether we agree or not but if it is built and it sucks balls then ima drop it faster then a hot potato.

we wont know till we try but there is reason to believe that it would in fact affect the numbers going in. And im saying there is money to earn because illegals are costing us much more then the wall would call so i feel like there is incentive and in no way what you described it but if you do not want debate anymore we can simply agree to disagree.

Illegals do not pay taxes take money from us when they go to school cost money while they are in prison and bring drugs over the border. This is no small problem a wall is very cheap as i explained to carne up there when the cost are really taken into account when it comes to schooling and the care of prisoners who are illegal. I would like to know the number of people not paying taxes as your source if i recall did not list a number of people but the number of money not paid or underpaid. While this is a problem does 1 problem allow the ignorance of another problem? Because some americans btw not anywhere near half do not pay their taxes does that mean we should ignore illegals and not try to put restrictions to keep them from coming in and adding to the problem.

Mexican DTOs dominate the transportation of illicit drugs across the Southwest Border. They typically use commercial trucks and private and rental vehicles to smuggle cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, and heroin through the 25 land POEs as well as through vast areas of desert and mountainous terrain between POEs. the key phrase being through vast areas of dessert and mountainous terrain. from your source btw. now would you not think the extra 5000 border agents would be able to search more trucks in the large amount going through and have better chances of being stopped and their drugs taken and would not more wall prevent these crossings through the desert and the mountains if placed in areas with no wall which would probably classify as a POE.

I would be quoted with saying their fair share which you cannot say when your own source says only 3.4 million of 11 pay taxes. this means that the other 7.6 million do not pay their taxes and while i am of course disappointed in other americans for not paying it the rate of illegal immigrants are much higher than the rate of legal americans because as you can see more than half are not paying their taxes.

actually carne this article says that only 5 percent of illegal immigrant make up the prison population in that small number though according to www.nytimes.com/2013/.../citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.ht... it cost on average $31,286 New york actually costing the most at 60,000 if the average is applied to that 5 percent. it would cost 3,473,215,290 this is an annual cost. It would cost 12-15 billion dollars to build trumps wall according to https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html this is a 1 time purchase where as this incarceration cost in yearly. if we assume that only 1/4 illegal immigrants will attend school out of the 11 million which is the lowest estimate currentlyit would cost 34 billion and 747 million dollars. https://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/

no we are looking for a solution for an ongoing problem borders are setup because it is unfair that illegal immigrants do not pay their fair share of taxes but receive the benefits of our economy. In fact if you go to a simple highschool you will see many latino immigrants who are illegal and receive benefits` and foods that were paid for by americans. Not immaginary it was fairly aquired by purchase and even after a war americans paid the mexican people for the portions of land that we received from that war. It is unfair for these people to come in and recieve benefits and take advantage of a system that is great in many ways without paying back into it. Please stop asking me to do research on your part and give me the sources.

you assume a lot of things but bring no sources i expect sources in your next message instead of telling me to look into it. https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/201/~/statistics---drug-seizures these are not homegrown and these are only the drugs seized not smuggled through successfully. This is in only 1 year btw. How would they check if females are coming over with and to deny the affect of more walls and border patrol agents on this flow of drugs seems ignorant. To say there are other ways is true but what are the statistical use on these. Like I said they cant afford to pay the employees the same amount they want dirt cheap labor which would if taken away increase the cost of these but a wall would have no affect on produce flowing into the country from the outside countries.

Did you compare though jae walking to immigration policy? Jae walking is just a cop out so if some retard gets hit by a car its their own fault for crossing middle of the road. Border policy is different and if it helps keeps criminal illegals out cool if it prevents illegal narcotics from getting over cool. My biggest issue is drug running that is nearly impossible to do by plane. On the ground however it is a large part of the crossing especially on foot. Cartels take advantage of people seeking a better life and force them to cross with narcotics in order to pay for the coyote they send or the supplies to get across safely. I do believe a wall in areas that we do not already have walls at would in fact help us many people forget he also plans to employ up to 5000 more border guards something i agree with and am quite ecstatic over.

The funny thing is to cut off illegal immigration you simply cut off the jobs something which no employer wants to do. Someone has to work the fields in california and white people wont do it. They know where the illegals are and how many there is they just dont want to kick them all out because they are a large part of agriculture. The main solution would be closing off the borders till we have an easier and better road to citizenship. Legal immigration is the only immigration that should be happening and the legal immigration would take away most of the illegal workers. The main issue is you have Farmers and main agriculture people who want to be able to pay dirt cheap prices to illegals to keep them working you would have to force them to pay the minimum wage though and at 15 dollars an hour that is impossible for most farmers. So unless we have a policy change and a wage change it is impossible to make a move currently. I am simply just correcting the facts that they listed.

55 percent come by plain and that less then 0.01 percent come by desert. I know because 3 of my friends are illegal all came by desert and they have many friends who came by desert too.

chill i say one thing and i get my anus ripped in half by like 5 people. Im just saying the wall is meant to prevent the guys crossing on foot which is actually a lot more than you would think in fact the info is nearly impossible to find because they are infact undocumented. Only 40-45 percent come legally and over stay as according to this source here. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/
and they even say that could be 10 percent less as other sources have found it that way. That still leaves 55-60 percent. In fact none of us can prove how many of each group cross because they are all undocumented in fact Ramos a democrat who appeared on Bill Riley said that 40 percent of immigrants come on plane http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/ This site here said it could be that or higher or it could very well easily be much much lower. So i completely doubt

no but the wall is meant to stop illegals if you are coming over on a commercial flight that means your legal and the wall wouldnt have made a difference anyways.

Like for example if you want your kid to be a doctor and instead he wants to become a contractor or something else you kind of get disappointed but you get over it you know.

hey you can down vote me but it is just pure honesty its a hard thing and i know people like to think that they could just take it in stride but it is a big deal.

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