Yes, but they dont have to do that. If they want to be skinny and scrawny why not fucking let them

As long as theyre healthy

If they cant meet the requirements then they are not that social construct. If there is a female taking all the responsibilities and is able to complete the same abilities of an average male i will happily call her a him and a male but most transgenders cant meet this and if you were so concerned about health you would be focusing on drug abuse and depression and less on other peoples feelings towards them.

Ah
So youre just dumb. Im done arguing because this is going nowhere and it reminds me of the last tine we argued
Goodbye

German, he's literally saying "if you cannot live up to what a man is in this culture, then you aren't one" you're becoming more closed-yet-open minded than I thought.

I understand that, why is there a definition of what men are? Why is there a stardard? If a man, born a man, doesnt meet up to these standards, what then? Is he a woman now? This doesnt make sense

There's a definition because we must hold ourselves to a strong standard so we can be seen as a suitable husband and father. If not, you're just....not.

Thats what im saying is dumb. Because other have expectations they want you to follow, you have to follow them or you dont get to be the person you want. You really think that makes sense?

Yea, I do. Its some other person, it's society and what it decides.

Thats stupid. Society decides what you are? You cant be who you want because society says no. Thats just fucking stupid.

It is stupid. It is dumb. It is very unfair. But its also true.

If im going to be something im going to be it, society can go fuck themselves

If I could change it I would. But I cant. Not my place to change it either.

Now you're getting it!!

"You are dumb" an excellent conclusion and a great sum up of your whole argument it was fun to argue with you for about the 5th time and i guess I will probably do the same in the future.

Neither of you were dumb. Both of you had sides you believed in. German thinks differently than you, Revenge. Nothing is wrong with that, that is normal. The argument is settled, leave it be.

Can I get a summary of what has happened? Too long to read

So both of us disagreed with out to treat transgender people and then after a full day of that the next day i said well what happens after the surgery i believe that they should be treated fully like a man including physical requirements and social requirements and she believes that when it is anything physical they are the original gender where as anything mental they are their new gender. After this she decided to resort to name calling and disregarding my arguments I also was annoyed and name called a little myself rydler stepped in to become a mediator and argued a little bit. Sero jumped in at the end with his opinion and that is the end of the argument.

That's a pretty good summary. Thank you Revenge.

I will say there is a big issue with trans after surgery. They can't change the fact of what they were born biologically, but if they consider themselves a man then they should act like one and have the same standards. However, man to woman is the biggest issue because you have a person born a biological male switching to female is kind of... weird. Women are by fact weaker to men, biologically, and even after surgery the medications don't suppress the male hormones 100%.
You can't say "society doesn't want to", it's just not a norm. You are going against your own DNA. But hey if were dropping it let's drop it