Okay, quick answer. This is both moral and personal.
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xvarnah · 5 years ago
tbh, I'd avoid making it personal (especially about his mom) unless you absolutely have to. It just seems like there could be other ways to tell him to fuck off without bringing her into it, even if it may be tempting
deleted · 5 years ago
@xvarnah @parisqueen told him to stop making jokes like that but he just called me a fucking pussy so I said something around the lines of "no wonder you wont shut the fuck up about your mom you just want everyone to die as much as you do" and he legit almost attacked me(my conscious made me apologize for that, weighed down on me)
parisqeen · 5 years ago
ooft. Yeah that crossed a line I would say, don't bring his mum into anything that's just low hanging fruit. Do you know why he targets you? Is there anyone else he does this too?
wimsyexpergefactor · 5 years ago
Ya, he is being an absolute asshole, you do need to respond, but idk if personal is the way to go. I think i'm biased in this, but bringing up loss or suicide mentions in an argument could probs build the situation a lot. People who are deliberately being aggressive are usually doing it because they want the confrontation. Can you respond with like a cold shoulder maybe? Lack of confrontation might seem more serious to the dude than what he's expecting? idk I don't deal with confrontation well, i'm actually bad at cold shoulder-ing. , but the times i've tried to de-escalate the situation (is de-escalate even a word??) it seems to work out better for me and the other people.
jasonmon · 5 years ago
Can you just cut this person out of your life? You aren't going to be responsible for him killing himself, and nerve telling to him again might be the easiest way. If you're stuck with him, you can try to train him. Say hello, and if he doesn't say hi back, stop the conversation until he does, or just walk away. Smile and tell him it's basic manners and you're surprised he hasn't caught on yet. If he keeps beings aggressive, there are various ways to capture his attention so he knows your being serious. Eye contact, and a loud "Hey, hey, hey, that's enough!" followed by a quick description of why you're offended ("when you roll in here and talk like this to me, it's out of line. I'm done. Figure out something else to say, like hi") will usually snap someone out of it. Or go a notch further: square up with them and say, "Listen I'm gonna stop you right there. When you approach me with this level of animosity...." etc. Sorry, this would be 10,000x easier in person, but hopefully you get
jasonmon · 5 years ago
the general idea. You're being strongly assertive but not aggressive. It's an art, but it's worth learning.
xvarnah · 5 years ago
Ouch. I can't say I fully blame you, but it sounds like he is still taking his mom's death pretty hard. I was meaning more along the lines of "your jokes aren't funny, I'm not interested in this shit anymore, leave me the fuck alone," but hopefully he got the message and backs off either way
deleted · 5 years ago
@parisqueen I have no idea why he targets me. I don't hurt the guy, excluding the aformentioned incident.
@wimsyexpergefactor, If I do that, he suddenly becomes friendly and asking whats up with me and why am I so sad. The guilt of his sympathy, real or not, forces me to talk(feels like I'm talking about an abusive relationship). I will put a pin in cold shouldering though.
@jasonmon So I should just talk to the guy and attempt to get the message through that what he and his group says is hurtful, and while jokes can be funny sometimes, constantly laughing about personal qualities can make someone hate themselves? This one seems the most promising to me.
I'm going to start a small memo and writing the stuff down so I can try these strategies throughout the week(if any are more successful on the first try) and give any updates on this. Chat, and by extension me, is still open to suggestions.
jasonmon · 5 years ago
Yeah man, hang in there with it. It's like you're training a puppy, almost. I would not spend a lot of time on the actual burst; enough that it was clear he crossed a boundary, but not opening the door for a heart to heart. Give him three or five sentences to let him know you've had enough of whatever he just did. It'll feel unnatural to call him out at first, but make sure to keep on it. After, you can say something like, "now that THAT'S sorted," and move on. Or if you're too heated, it's okay to just walk away with the, "how'd that work out for you?," thumbs-down, disappointed-in-you kind of attitude and he'll look like an absolute douche in front of everyone else. Can you tell I have dealt with a lot of fools? Lol. Lmk how it goes, and I can give you feedback. ...As a side note, my auto correct was on fire in my first message. My first idea was to cut him out of your life, if possible. Nerve = maybe and again = f off, so "maybe telling him to f off might be the easiest way."
deleted · 5 years ago
UPDATE: walked up to me and they acted as if I was a virus. Flipped one of their trays and left. Gave the main guy the cold shoulder and he began to ask why I wasnt talking to him(I half expected him to get why, but he didn't), so I deflected him by saying "I'm going to be late" and now I'm going to take a different route altogether to avoid him. Unfortuneately we share an English class together and he sits right next to me, and i have no idea what to do about that? Any ideas?
parisqeen · 5 years ago
I think you have the right idea about not talking to him, keep that up. If he asks why then just tell him directly that you're not okay with how he treats you so you see no reason to engage in conversation when all it is is insults. In English do the same, just ignore him.
jasonmon · 5 years ago
I'd stay businesslike in class, but I agree with @parisqeen about keeping up the cold shoulder. You don't need them in your life if they're going to treat you like crap. If he pushes you about why, be honest. If he's still annoying you in a week, you can maybe explain it to the teacher and get seated somewhere else. In the mean time, can you join a club or do something extracurricular so you can meet other, nicer people? Now would be the time because all the clubs should be advertising/recruiting.
xvarnah · 5 years ago
Seconding (thirding?) Parisqeen's opinion. If he asks, be upfront, but unless he demonstrates some genuine apologetic/change in behavior then no point in putting up with it any longer
deleted · 5 years ago
This seems like the best route. I'll try it and update you guys again(I'm a senior so I actually do need to join a club for those sweet looks on my resume)
deleted · 5 years ago
UPDATE: Didn't work. He got angry at me ignoring him and called me a fag. I finally told him and he ignored me, only to follow me when I left for Spanish(not a long way, but still).
jasonmon · 5 years ago
It seems like that's his go-to behavior. Why did he follow you to Spanish? Was he being threatening or is it his normal pattern to follow you? And sorry for all the questions, but what did you tell him when he asked why you'd been ignoring him? If I can understand that stuff, it'll probably help us figure out the right move.
deleted · 5 years ago
He was saying something to me, but empty threats.
He had his classes to go to, but did go out of his way to follow me(not much of a detour, but did threaten me).
I told him how he was making jokes at my expense and that I had enough of it, and he started pulling rabbits out of his hat talking about how he always says hi to me and we always joke about each other.
jasonmon · 5 years ago
It sounds like you handled it really well; I'm glad you told him you'd had enough. It takes effort to say that stuff, but it's a good investment in your happiness. If he starts in again tomorrow, I'd say something like, "Hey, hey, remember what we talked about: I'm done with these types of jokes, and at least say hi to me." But honestly, you'll find 80% of your problems come from 20% of people. He sounds like a 20%-er. I think you'll be happiest in the long run by moving in a different direction. ...like, Spanish club, or something similar?
parisqeen · 5 years ago
Who knows maybe he's in love with you and doesn't like feeling that haha
Anyways It seems his perception of your "friendship" is very different from yours, I think you maybe need to ask him some questions and demand straight answers. Ask him if he thinks you're friends, whether he thinks these insults are jokes or actual insults, if he considers himself a bully etc. This'll at least help in the long run if he doesn't stop, to help figure out ways to change his perception of you and your relationship with him.
deleted · 5 years ago
@parisqueen if he was gay I would've known it by now
@jasonmon there could be a chance I can work it out with him. Spanish club isn't my cup of tea though