You find me offensive
I find you offensive for findin' me offensive
Hence if I should draw out or line any fences
If so, to what extents if any should I go
'Cause it's getting expensive
Bein' on the other side of the courtroom on the defensive
They say I cause extensive psychological nerve damage to the brain
When I go to lengths, this
Far at other people's expenses
I say you're all just too God damned sensitive
It's censorship and it's downright blasphemous
Let's end this shit now cause I won't stand for this
And Christo-pher Reeves won't sit for this neither
And let's clear this up too I ain't got no beef with him either
He used to be like a hero to me I even believe I
Had one of those twenty-five cent stickers on my refrigerator
Right next to Darth Vader
And Darth musta put a hex on him for later
I feel like it's my fault cause of the way that
I stuck him up in between him and Lex Luthor
I killed Superman I killed Super-man, and how ironic
That I'd be the bad guy, kryptonite, the
There was a guy who got offended on my college campus when some students wrote Bible quotes all over the sidewalks. I showed him this quote and he said "yeah but he's an atheist so he would agree with me". Idiot
I 100% agree however if anyone ever tells you they're a free speech warrior, don't believe them unless they defend the free speech of someone they disagree with. I mean look at Tomi Lahren and the people she surrounds herself with, they claims to be free speech warriors and against snowflakeism and getting offended but very recently Lahren retweeted a tweet calling for a guy who made an anti-christian (or rather anti-solving problems with thoughs & prayers) remark to be fired. Free speech my ass Tomi, you fucking hypocrite.
It does. Not as much as locking someone up for speaking obviously, but it does. If someone threatens to take away your livelihood if you say something they don't like, you're very likely to keep your mouth shut. Remember the Google guy (whom I personally disagree with, I think his report was not very nuanced and too generalizing to be taken seriously, but I still wouldn't have him fired)? Or Youtube censors? Or the fact that Hollywood has been full of sexual assaults but nobody's been speaking up because the person doing the assaults had power over his victims and they had ambition to be successful in the industry, so they shut up.
The freedom of speech as defined by the Constitution and the Declaration of Human Rights only applies to the state. They can't lock you up for having certain opinions. Private companies can fire whomever they want for whatever they want, they have every right to. But what I was talking about is the principle of free speech, that imo everyone should respect
It doesn't. Being in a situation where it's inconvenient for you to speak doesn't mean you're being prevented from speaking.
He should be able to speak freely, and his boss should be free to fire him for whatever reason he wants.
Freedom.
Yeah, I did mention that private companies can do that. I specifically mentioned the moral principle of free speech, not the legal one, to avoid confusion. So yes a company has the right to do that. I just don't find much comfort in the fact that I have to succumb to my boss's ideology or risk losing my livelihood. It's just pure authoritarianism and totalitarianism, only on a smaller scale than a government. You think that being constantly threatened by losing your only source of income because your boss has different opinions on some minor thing isn't restricting to free speech at all? I mean c'mon, you can't actually be totally okay with Youtube censoring creators or people getting fired over dumb remarks.
"I just don't find much comfort in the fact that I have to succumb to my boss's ideology or risk losing my livelihood."
That's a natural effect of being subordinate to someone. No one's obligated to make you comfortable.
"It's just pure authoritarianism and totalitarianism, only on a smaller scale than a government."
It's neither of things because you agree to work for your employer, and can quit if you choose to.
"You think that being constantly threatened by losing your only source of income because your boss has different opinions on some minor thing isn't restricting to free speech at all?"
Yes.
"I mean c'mon, you can't actually be totally okay with Youtube censoring creators or people getting fired over dumb remarks."
I'm okay with it in that I respect their freedom to conduct their business the way they see fit. That doesn't mean I agree with the policies themselves. I already said I disagree with Tomi.
Well you don't *have to* live in a country either if you don't like it. You can just move someplace else. So why is it that the companies can get away with ideological brainwashing while governments can't? Similar hierarchy, different scale. Same principle.
And that's what is bothersome to me. Libertarians say they support freedom... freedom for companies to severely restrict their employees' freedom. That's not very free imo. It's like Kant in the streets, Hobbes in the...office. Not very consistent.
If your employer says you can't say something that's an agreement in the terms of your employment. Your boss says "I will offer you work and pay for said work if you follow these rules" you say "I will do the work as you ask and follow those rules and you will pay me". But unlike many countries, here in the U.S. we have the freedom to say "I don't like those rules so I will find employment somewhere else". Many people don't have that freedom. I used to work at Disney under the rule I couldn't curse or dye my hair (and MANY other rules). and I didn't like it so I quit because I have a right to do that and Disney has a right to say I need to follow those regulations.
Unless someone is actually preventing you from changing jobs, that's your problem and no one else's. Does you're employer somehow cause you to become less able to change jobs?
legally unless an employer can prove you were unsatisfactory somehow, they can't talk bad about you to future employers. if they lie or they can't prove anything you can sue them. you can lie to yourself and say you have no freedom but you have a lot more if you stop blaming something other than yourself.
There is a grey area. You can do something that you think is right that gets you fired, that probably was right and still get a bad recommendation due to inherent bias that your ex-boss would have when describing the incident (not to say that you wouldn't have bias yourself). A small bias isn't going to court, even if it should... the costs just aren't worth it.
I've left jobs on a bad note. there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people who left because they didn't get along with their boss or something similar. most big corporations like McDonald's or Target aren't going to look into that they just care that you have the skills necessary. just recently I left a job I loved because my boss was a b*tch. to be honest every time I put her name and number down on an application I was worried. but I got a job teaching at a charter school no problem. my guess is they didn't talk to my boss they talked to the references I provided (who of course gave me a positive review).
seriously if you can't find a job it's probably your fault
I'll defend his right to say this and I'll defend someone's right to say they're offended. Also in some cases taking offense is stupid, but in others, when ppl say they're offend what they're really saying is that you're hurting them emotionally. Now, if you don't care when you hurt others emotionally, then I guess you just don't, but it's basic human decency to try to prevent actual harm being done to those around you
True, there is actual harm and then there is "being offended". It's not black and white the problem is many people take it too far. If someone says "black people are inferior to white people" that's pretty sh*tty and I would stand and say "no way!". but if someone says "Black people have better taste in music than white people" I would laugh and say "why are we talking about this? that's a pretty general statement...do all black people listen to the same music?" (the answer is no)
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I find you offensive for findin' me offensive
Hence if I should draw out or line any fences
If so, to what extents if any should I go
'Cause it's getting expensive
Bein' on the other side of the courtroom on the defensive
They say I cause extensive psychological nerve damage to the brain
When I go to lengths, this
Far at other people's expenses
I say you're all just too God damned sensitive
It's censorship and it's downright blasphemous
Let's end this shit now cause I won't stand for this
And Christo-pher Reeves won't sit for this neither
And let's clear this up too I ain't got no beef with him either
He used to be like a hero to me I even believe I
Had one of those twenty-five cent stickers on my refrigerator
Right next to Darth Vader
And Darth musta put a hex on him for later
I feel like it's my fault cause of the way that
I stuck him up in between him and Lex Luthor
I killed Superman I killed Super-man, and how ironic
That I'd be the bad guy, kryptonite, the
That said I do disagree with her.
The freedom of speech as defined by the Constitution and the Declaration of Human Rights only applies to the state. They can't lock you up for having certain opinions. Private companies can fire whomever they want for whatever they want, they have every right to. But what I was talking about is the principle of free speech, that imo everyone should respect
He should be able to speak freely, and his boss should be free to fire him for whatever reason he wants.
Freedom.
That's a natural effect of being subordinate to someone. No one's obligated to make you comfortable.
"It's just pure authoritarianism and totalitarianism, only on a smaller scale than a government."
It's neither of things because you agree to work for your employer, and can quit if you choose to.
"You think that being constantly threatened by losing your only source of income because your boss has different opinions on some minor thing isn't restricting to free speech at all?"
Yes.
"I mean c'mon, you can't actually be totally okay with Youtube censoring creators or people getting fired over dumb remarks."
I'm okay with it in that I respect their freedom to conduct their business the way they see fit. That doesn't mean I agree with the policies themselves. I already said I disagree with Tomi.
Businesses aren't generally very democratic.
seriously if you can't find a job it's probably your fault