You can't have a donut, I am on a diet

but say you're going out to eat and are at a restaurant. is it okay to ask them not to drink?

i don't believe so. I was just pointing out that there are way more places that sell alcohol than people think. I mean Chucky cheese sells beer.

Who is "them" in that example? If it's your personal party, it's up to y'all. If it's other guests, eff off. Maybe go to a halal restaurant then.

I know someone who doesn't like other people drinking around them but it isn't due to religion. It can stem from religion but sometimes it's personal preference.

That's what I meant by "If it's your personal party, it's up to y'all". Friend of mine is a dry alcoholic, and when he's around for dinner, we don't drink wine as we usually do.

thats very kind of you. I'm sure your friend treasures your efforts. :)

honestly, had they been nazi supporters asking for a nazi cake at a Jewish run bakery, it wouldn't have gotten this far.

It's your decision what job you do. If your religion keeps you from doing a job within the legal boundaries of the country you live in, do something else. The truth is that this is about double standards whether an argument is generally valid or just based on a severe case of snowflakism.
Nazis demanding a jewish bakery to bake them a swastika cake is way different, as that would not be against their religious beliefs but their human dignity. Gays never started a holocaust against christians.

That opens up a whole other can of worms when legal is still wrong. People have been legally rounded up and murdered in many countries but it doesn't make it right. That's an extreme example but still. Anyhow, it's all a very multifaceted situation that deserves much thought and research into (about the bakery).

What exact can of worms? That's an extreme example but what? Rounding up people to murder them is against international laws and would cause international intervention. People demanding safe spaces and extra rules when it comes to religion shouldn't be excluded from a secular state's laws.

"International law". LMFAO.
They can go to a different bakery. It ain't fucking complicated.

I didn't come up with that stupid example. And they didn't need to go anywhere else. Laws, maternal fornicator, you've heard of them?

Firstly, I love that maternal fornicator line, it made me smile.
Secondly, there are also laws protecting religious practice. Bakeries aren't exactly an exclusive market, and the bakers aren't trying to be discriminatory, they just don't want to cater an event that goes against their religion. They aren't trying to stop it, protest it, or hurt anyone involved.

It's almost like they didn't want to be involved at all.

English maternal fornicator! Do you speak it?

" there are also laws protecting religious practice." - I refer to The Hon. Judge Antonin Scalia in this matter. Links, ублюдок, do you follow them?

Look, would there have been an uproar if it had been a Muslim bakery refusing to cater to a gay wedding?

No of course not, as if any american had ever critized a muslim. Dude, are you ok? If that happened, Steve Bannon himself would start sucking d!cks in gay porn to show his support for the queer community.

nobody here is downvoted for being right... as long as it's alt-right.

No one on here is alt right

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Oh what a comeback ! So much thought put into it ! You're definitely right!

Wasn't worth more effort. Being called alt-right is basically the same as being called an a§§hole: You don't get to decide if that's right or wrong.

Alt right is a position you have, not an opinion. It has guidelines that require you to be one. Calling someone alt right doesn't make them one, and calling people you don't agree with one makes it hard for people to believe you when you actually encounter one.
A lot of this site can be slightly right of centrist but that doesn't make them alt right by any means.

Preach!

"Alt right is a position you have, not an opinion. It has guidelines that require you to be one" - you mean there's like an official code of conduct? That's just preposterous. It might explain though why so few people ever call themselves alt-right. Must be the extremely high qualification standards, huh?

Guidelines, not qualifications.Would someone who believe women are only good for making babies be counted as a feminist ? No. Would someone with a vag who likes penis be called homosexual ? No. Would you call someone who believed white, cos, straight guys alt right ? No. Because there are things that make you something. It's not a word like asshole that can be just thrown around. Words and labels mean things and alt right isn't what you're using it as.

Then what is it?

Think actual fucking Nazis.
Ultra-nationalist, racist, genocidal, imperialist, fascist, anti-Semitic, etc.

^ pretty much

And you think people who call themselves alt-right would agree to that?

Yes.

Because that's LITERALLY what the people on the alt right believe. It's like asking if someone is far left if they agree with blm or antifa. Because they agree with them makes them what they are, you wouldn't call them leaning the other way.

So if I went to the Breitbart forum and asked them if they were "Ultra-nationalist, racist, genocidal, imperialist, fascist, anti-Semitic Nazis" they'd be like "Yup, why you asking?". I don't think so. A more realistic way to describe alt-right would be this: communication thru memes, fight against what they believe is excesses of feminism, political correctness, multiculturalism, and immigration, feel that liberals ("libtards") are snowflakes who rule society, and white heterosexual men are are probably more suffering from discrimination today than women, blacks, queers. Intersectional discrimination isn't a thing, just like the idea that there's more to gender than just XX and XY chromosomes, Hillary is the devil, democrats want to take away your guns and force you to become vegans and racism ended 01-20-2009. This is common sense on alt-right forums, thats pretty much the agenda of their representatives. Now you tell me this isn't the case for a large group of people here. ctnd.

2/2 Granted, their people in the trenches add some open racism and really hideous misogyny which is frowned up by a majority here, but especially among the turbo posters here and especially the ones with blue stars alt-right positions are totally mainstream.

If they aren't neo-Nazis, they aren't alt-right. You described then in part of your comment, but those that aren't "in the trenches" are neckbeards at worst, but are most likely just right of center and you're not willing to acknowledge them as reasonable people (like yours truly). Fact is, feminism in the first world has been hijacked.
Political correctness is being used to silence the opposing view everywhere from college campuses to Congress.
Illegal immigration is the means by which criminals and prohibited items enter the United States on a daily basis and needs to be stopped.
Middle Eastern culture is incompatible with western values and accepting migrants from countries largely ran by groups that want us dead without more scrutiny is just plain stupid.
White straights lose out to minorities all the time thanks to political correctness, affirmative action, and other instances of forced diversity.

Hillary has sold out to our enemies, is a thief and an accessory to terror.
Many democrats do want take guns from law-abiding citizens for arbitrary reasons

You are probably the least reflecting person I have met in this fun place. Thus my impression of a vivified action doll. You are the very definition of a clueless, oblivious alt-righter and proof that plain neo-nazism is NOT a condition for being alt-right. Your only point is your denial of a plain fact, really cute.

Stupidhead.

Halfdeadhammerhead even a simple Google search brings up what it actually is, not your opinion on what it should be. They believe most of the things neo Nazis do.
Alt right isn't the same things as just generally being right leaning from center or a little bit more right than you and it's seriously fucked up you're equating people on this site to them just because you think your personal opinion is the real one while LITERALLY everyone else has the one we're talking about.
People on the left communicate through memes as well so idk why you're using that as a guideline.

Also left leaning opinions are common on here and definitely not frowned upon. What's frowned upon, especially to people talking to you, is a lack of wanting to listen or a superiority complex. I remember talking to you and you refusing to provide sources for your views because you didn't think I'd read them. That's annoying, not your views.
People on the far left annoy me because they are always yeling about how I'm evil for simply being born white and cis and don't agree with everything they say just because they said it and they're the " woke " ones. That doesn't make me alt right AT ALL.

You don't get my point either. It's one thing how they are described and characterized from outside. What I'm talking about is how they see themselves. If you ask someone who says s/he's alt-right what that actually means, s/he will say exactly the same as famousone said above. A few will be (more) extreme but most won't. I'll ignore that whiny part about what a nuisance I am. You surely don't want to know how and why I couldn't possibly give less fncks about that.