Confirm who the idiot is, the people who perpetrate the myth he is talking about, or the person in question. Cause if it's the latter, enjoy your downvote bruh.
He is free to share his opinion and I'm free to mock it if I find it stupid.
He can always respond to explain his position or just call me names and lose the argument. I'm okay with either.
@vitklim, dude,first of all, I'm white. I probably will says some stuff that doesn't involve my reality because I have no idea on how is it to be a black man in Brazil,a country that have almost 70.000 assassinations every year and most of those that die are black but here I go.
I can say for dcottingham but I disagree with your saying because the slavery that we had here in the America was very different of the slavery of the ancient times, that the Romans or Islamic tribes had. On that time you were a slave if you were a prisoner of war or lost your freedom because of financial crisis.But you could escape your fate of a slave if you convert to Islam (on the Islamic world) or join the military (on the Roman world). Everyone could be a slave on those times.
The slavery that happen in America had a ethnical characteristic that didn't happen before.just because someone was black they were immediately label as a slave.Slavery change to transform the African Man in a...
...in a merchandise to be sold by the European (mostly Portuguese in the beginning). The major problem was this ethnical detail add a complete different meaning behind. There were a segregation on the social classes that was directly influenced by the color of the person and this segregation perpetuates today still. I agree that I am not guilty of having a slave nowadays but can I say that I am completely free of guilty for the system that exists today that is completely repressive to the African descendants? Can't I help they fight for a better world to live,starting by realizing that today's situation is a historical consequence of the fuck up stuff the white men did in the past?
More the 13 million black man were brought to America and of those 4 million died in the voyage. I will search the references for those info in English because Nerdologia,a YouTube channel from here,made an awesome video about slavery.
I'm talking about the principle of the subject, not about the specifics. People are responsible for their own actions, not the ones taken by their predecessors. Any guilt imposed on a person that did nothing wrong is a moral abomination, a tool of control over someone who you have no claim over. Is that point clear?
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Next up, the claim that for some reason this particular slave trade was by any measure more abominable than anything else. You do realise that slavery existed on the African continent before the Europeans arrived, and they just capitalised on it by creating way more demand, as well as taking a huge chunk by force?
However, what baffles me most is that after being THE society to finally define slavery as a moral wrong and put an end to it, we are still blamed for not doing it sooner or better. You cannot define the morality of the past by the morality of today. It's ridiculous to even suggest that.
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So yes, you are completely free of the guilt. You don't need it to help.
If you want me to go into more details about the issues with the black community today, and the causes behind it, I can do that, it has been researched enough.
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But to make something crystal clear, because I think it needs to be said.
You are your own person. You are responsible for what you do, for what you believe and how you treat people. If you want to help, to solve problems, you can do that without feeling guilty for something that you took no part in. Think for yourself, and don't let people who want to take advantage of your goodwill to do so.
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P.S. regarding the studies/articles you linked, I've skimmed through the second one, and it seems interesting, but possibly biased. I will have to look into it more.
Also, in the US, a lot of what gets called "white privilege" is the better start someone gets if:
-His/her parents are married and he/she lives with them
-Parents graduated from high school
-Parents waited until they were married to have children.
The Black community gets excused for men having multiple baby mamas and not providing any support or even presence. In fact, it's excused even more by the white-guilt people because calling out a minority for its self-destructive behavior is apparently racist. But don't worry, the white community is attempting to,equalize things by excusing its own destructive actions so soon it will descend to the level of the worst minorities' actions.
He can always respond to explain his position or just call me names and lose the argument. I'm okay with either.
I can say for dcottingham but I disagree with your saying because the slavery that we had here in the America was very different of the slavery of the ancient times, that the Romans or Islamic tribes had. On that time you were a slave if you were a prisoner of war or lost your freedom because of financial crisis.But you could escape your fate of a slave if you convert to Islam (on the Islamic world) or join the military (on the Roman world). Everyone could be a slave on those times.
The slavery that happen in America had a ethnical characteristic that didn't happen before.just because someone was black they were immediately label as a slave.Slavery change to transform the African Man in a...
More the 13 million black man were brought to America and of those 4 million died in the voyage. I will search the references for those info in English because Nerdologia,a YouTube channel from here,made an awesome video about slavery.
https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article-abstract/118/1/148/42121
And
https://mondediplo.com/1998/04/02africa
What do you think about those things?
Ps-Sorry if there were any misspelling or grammar mistakes.
Matuza
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Next up, the claim that for some reason this particular slave trade was by any measure more abominable than anything else. You do realise that slavery existed on the African continent before the Europeans arrived, and they just capitalised on it by creating way more demand, as well as taking a huge chunk by force?
However, what baffles me most is that after being THE society to finally define slavery as a moral wrong and put an end to it, we are still blamed for not doing it sooner or better. You cannot define the morality of the past by the morality of today. It's ridiculous to even suggest that.
.
So yes, you are completely free of the guilt. You don't need it to help.
.
But to make something crystal clear, because I think it needs to be said.
You are your own person. You are responsible for what you do, for what you believe and how you treat people. If you want to help, to solve problems, you can do that without feeling guilty for something that you took no part in. Think for yourself, and don't let people who want to take advantage of your goodwill to do so.
.
P.S. regarding the studies/articles you linked, I've skimmed through the second one, and it seems interesting, but possibly biased. I will have to look into it more.
-His/her parents are married and he/she lives with them
-Parents graduated from high school
-Parents waited until they were married to have children.
The Black community gets excused for men having multiple baby mamas and not providing any support or even presence. In fact, it's excused even more by the white-guilt people because calling out a minority for its self-destructive behavior is apparently racist. But don't worry, the white community is attempting to,equalize things by excusing its own destructive actions so soon it will descend to the level of the worst minorities' actions.