We want to socialize it not beg for it like a hobo there is a huge difference there! I don't understand why people are fighting socialized healthcare every other developed nation has it and it's a massive help to everyone unlike what we actually do with our taxes witch is fund the rich and the murder of people in other countries.
Asking for help is far more moral and righteous than forcing people to give more of their autonomy and property to the very same people who will continue to buy from the rich and fight wars (which isn't murder, by the way).
Bruh I thought socialism was supposed to be run by the people, not by the government. It’s why I keep on saying people want socialism, not communism. Communism is the one that puts the government in charge of everything
By that definition, this post is an example of socialism. Currently happening, we already have it. Mission accomplished, the left can stop trying to take people's money and autonomy to give to the government now.
Wow, Americareally goes the distance when it comes to programming their kids to fear anywith the words communism or socialism attached. Communism is when the state controls everything and socialised healthcare isn't it, nor is it actual socialism. In theory socialised healthcare should use government tax money to help fund hospitals so that they don't charge you a hundred grand for cough drop. It will not "allow dem libs to control what vaccines ma kids get!" or "let the government tell me what goddamn insurance coverage I have!". Its purpose is to allow the people that live in "the land of the free" the access to the medical care that they need regardless of how much a hospital can gouge out of their wallet.
So how does giving the government more tax authority and control of the medical system anything but exactly what it sounds like?
As for the government deciding insurance, that's what the ACA was. It also ain't the "libs" who will be deciding who gets medicine, but the government.
The best way to not be charged 100 grand for a cough drop? Buy it from somebody else.
Socialized healthcare is putting the government in charge of Healthcare. That's it.
It’s amazing that every other first world country has figured out how to socialize medicine to the benefit of the population but Americans are too [whatever] to make it work...
How Is a system where people have to beg for help and hope they can get the life saving procedure/care better that the system that the entire western world employs (that provides this care)?
I don't understand how one can be so brainwashed to the point of thinking that a functioning health care system was equal to socialism, even though there is only one capitalist country without one.
Are you going to keep pinning the blame on groups?
The proof is there that it is possible and achievable. The only thing keeping y'all from changing it is the late-stage capitalists that are banking on it
Hay right wing people what do you think about our roads they have been socialist for most of their existence. I'm not trying to be mean I honestly want to here your thoughts on it. And yes I know that the quality of them can very greatly from state to state.
I'm adding my piece in as information and not to engage in debate. I'm Canadian and socialised health care is something I appreciate but it is not something everyone should have. It is not in line with how America functions because they are highly independent and should be praised for that ability. They may have issues with prices, or insurance but every system has failings. In my experience and from stories of others our health care is very easily manipulated. I've heard stories where nurses are scheduled in a manner as to always be part time so benefits that full time employees are entitled to are never paid out, the whole system is government run so organization and efficiency are incredibly low, and there is a lot of room for corruption. I have confirmed through various sources that hospitals are altering cause of death to gain bonuses from the governments. The American ideal would not allow that hence their issues with our system. I will not be rallying against a socialised system
-however, I do believe that private options could help fight against those issues. I don't know what side is better, privatized or socialised. None of us can know what is best for another country unless we are from that country and understand those ideals. As we go along improvements will happen and we'll work towards a solution as long as people want one. I would like to ask that there is less aggression and brow furrowing at each other and rather questions and idea sharing. If we don't think about how to improve nothing will.
The American medical system is voluntary if you have the wealth to choose to participate or not. For a large number of Americans the current system is not voluntary nor is it wanted. You can’t choose to participate if you can’t afford to.
Thank Uncle Sam for driving up the costs. And that goes for a lot of things. The feds keep trying to butt in where they shouldn't, or were never meant too, and that has messed up a lot of things in the US. From building inspections to international actions.
Who exactly is Uncle Sam. I thought he was a concept. I'm not entirely sure a conceptual figure can do things. I'm just concerned about the many people who can't afford to live because of capitalist greed
Sorry, @famousone are you more American than I am? Are you more important or meaningful? You keep saying “Americans don’t want it” but I’m American. My parents are. My neighbors are. My spouse is. Many of my friends are. And we want this. So, what you mean to say is that some Americans don’t want it. But the statement Americans don’t want it, is just wrong.
You do realize that I'm arguing to take away the barriers erected by Uncle Sam that make things worse, while you're advocating for empowering the feds to take more of people's property and autonomy, right?
You are literally saying that the desires of you, your spouse, your family, and your friends are more important than those of mine. Regarding our own money and choice.
No @famousone. I’m saying that my values are valid and yours don’t speak for all Americans (when you say “we” don’t want it). Suggesting that the beliefs and values of others matter doesn’t invalidate your beliefs and values. And while we currently operate in a system that illustrates your values, the conversation isn’t over. To say that because we have it like this now means that most people agree is short sighted.
Before the 1920s women weren’t allowed to vote. And no one is around these days saying that not allowing women to vote represents the majority of American’s view. It probably didn’t represent the majority view then either—but it did represent the view of those in power.
Your entire argument is that your values are more important than mine or anyone else's regarding their own labor and autonomy. That's the opposite of empowering people, you are arguing to take power and rights away from people.
You want it. Yours want it. I do not. Mine do not. And in this republic, 49 cannot dictate to 51 anymore than 51 can dictate to 49.
Are you serious? Are you just trolling me?
Or do you honestly believe that the way things are right now reflects the view of the entire population?
Do you honestly believe that my saying that there are plenty of Americans that disagree with you means that I am saying your opinions are invalid but you saying that all Americans agree with you because that’s they way things are right now doesn’t invalidate others?
My statement wasn’t suggesting that my view of healthcare is right and yours is wrong. Please, reread it. I was suggesting that your assumption that all Americans want what you want is wrong. Regardless of which policy on healthcare is right, wrong, current, better, worse, etc. Simply, not all Americans want that and your persistent assertion that they do is wrong.
I'm not saying that all Americans agree with me. I'm saying that enough do. And even more are against the idea for reasons including and beyond my own.
But that's immaterial. The face of this is that one said believes others should do as they please with their money and labor for better or worse, and the other is claiming to know better and thus be entitled to take from everyone.
Actually, what I take personally is the way you treat other people. Speak the way you like to be spoken to man. You got pretty upset when you felt insulted. Why not try phrasing things in a way that’s not condescending?
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As for the government deciding insurance, that's what the ACA was. It also ain't the "libs" who will be deciding who gets medicine, but the government.
The best way to not be charged 100 grand for a cough drop? Buy it from somebody else.
Socialized healthcare is putting the government in charge of Healthcare. That's it.
How Is a system where people have to beg for help and hope they can get the life saving procedure/care better that the system that the entire western world employs (that provides this care)?
The proof is there that it is possible and achievable. The only thing keeping y'all from changing it is the late-stage capitalists that are banking on it
Before the 1920s women weren’t allowed to vote. And no one is around these days saying that not allowing women to vote represents the majority of American’s view. It probably didn’t represent the majority view then either—but it did represent the view of those in power.
You want it. Yours want it. I do not. Mine do not. And in this republic, 49 cannot dictate to 51 anymore than 51 can dictate to 49.
Or do you honestly believe that the way things are right now reflects the view of the entire population?
Do you honestly believe that my saying that there are plenty of Americans that disagree with you means that I am saying your opinions are invalid but you saying that all Americans agree with you because that’s they way things are right now doesn’t invalidate others?
My statement wasn’t suggesting that my view of healthcare is right and yours is wrong. Please, reread it. I was suggesting that your assumption that all Americans want what you want is wrong. Regardless of which policy on healthcare is right, wrong, current, better, worse, etc. Simply, not all Americans want that and your persistent assertion that they do is wrong.
But that's immaterial. The face of this is that one said believes others should do as they please with their money and labor for better or worse, and the other is claiming to know better and thus be entitled to take from everyone.