We have those machines in NY too, but the human operated ones are faster. Do not be fooled though, this is actually a thinly veiled tax. The bottler pays the state 5 cents and the end user pays the state 5 cents. Then the end user gets their 5 cents back from the redemption center who then gets 8 cents from the state. The state keeps 2cents on every bottle and 10 cents on every bottle not returned. Not every bottle goes through the deposit system, the rest just go with our regular recycling.
I'm saying the government is trying to tax the companies, who raise the prices thus throwing it onto you. Much like how resteraunts force you to pay most of the workers' salaries by underpaying them so they rely on tips.
Then raise waitstaff to normal minimum wage and eliminate tipping. The menu prices can be raised %7 to offset that cost.
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Back to the primary conversation; The bottle tax is a business expense. All business expenses get passed onto the end user wether they are raw material, labor, software, trucking, warehousing, taxes, insurance, r&d, or consultants. EVERY tax levied on a business gets passed on to the consumer in one way or another.
If you bought a new Kubota L4701 with loader for $31,000 from your local dealer would you ship it to me in NY and fill the fuel and DEF tanks and charge me a total of $31,000?
Some yes. But they're making a hell of a lot more than they need to and underpaying their employees. Is two cents to a bottle going to put them out of business? I don't think so, it just cuts into their profits. They don't like that, so look who pays it instead.
It is 5 cents a bottle, not 2. In '09 I could get a 35 pack of bottled water (before the deposit existed) for $1.99. The deposit now costs the bottler $1.65 more per case and now I pay $3.49 a case. How can an 82% cost increase not be passed on? Do you know what corporations do with profits?
Executive bonuses are a problem, but many companies have profit sharing programs for all employees. Profits are also used to pay taxes and dividends and for reinvestment and philanthropy. They are taxed on the profits, substantially, this revenue is a big economic driver. Dividends are paid to shareholders. Many retired seniors live in part off of these payments, my retirement account grows more every year from them. Some of this money is invested into new companies and new technologies. There are a couple companies I work with that spend millions on charities and hospitals. There seems to be this unfounded belief that every corporation magically has a giant pile of cash that they stole from hobos to throw at executives. People like Obama and Bernie have people convinced that Scrooge McDuck is the typical corporate executive. Fostering this belief is all part of their agenda to create an "us vs them" mentality in order to keep themselves in power and make you ignore government waste.
in germany , thats the normalest thing.. in germany it's called "Pfand" and homeless people collect bottles on the streets to get money for their food etc.
We get hustled in Canada at the bottle return depot. Notorious ripoff artists. I can't be bothered to delegate them any more, just recycle them, prob cost me $50/year ...
we have this is Saskatchewan, Canada. But Its run as a "non-profit" business. you pay 20 cents deposits but get only 10 cents back on most containers. Some containers(milk), you pay a deposit, but the recycling depot wont take them and the recycling center sends them to the garbage dump. the money you don't get back goes to pay employees, who are mostly people that wouldn't get hired anywhere else.
We have these everywhere in The Netherlands. When I was younger I used to "secretly" hide the empty soda bottles my family used and saved them up until I had a bag full. With the money I got I bought candy. Good times.
In Australia, we have machines that you insert the plastic bottles and get 10 cents in return. Before this, I lived near a river with a ton of these plastic bottles, couple of weeks after these machines instalment the river was completely devoid of bottles
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Back to the primary conversation; The bottle tax is a business expense. All business expenses get passed onto the end user wether they are raw material, labor, software, trucking, warehousing, taxes, insurance, r&d, or consultants. EVERY tax levied on a business gets passed on to the consumer in one way or another.
-is what I guess they meant