Yes, and that is logical. You only need one bull with great genes to impregnate thousands of cows, so all other bulls born are excessive. Letting them live is even worse for the environment than slaughtering them. The problemativ things about these cows are their living conditiond, not what they are.
What you are saying is true from the business perspective. But they should live too :( I understand people eat meat like other animals do. But why torture them they should roam free :(
That brings up an entirely different question. You are now asking ''Do we have more right to live then a cow?'' I am not even going to try to answer that, because then I would easily put a three page essay here and I doubt anybody wishes to hear my ramblings.
Just saying it is fair for animals too to have a better life, just as it will be for people in third world contries who also don't or anyone anywhere, and any animal everywhere. We as a world gave the labd and the resources. But there is too much greed for that to happen
We are already taking up massive amounts of space for agriculture, do we really need to cut down the rest of the Amazon? Cows serve no purpose in nature because of centuries of cultivation and a vast majority have been lived in captivity their whole lives, they can't miss what they never had.
The problem is currently not how we get the food, but what we do with it. We have most food going to countries that don't need as much as they get and a tiny portion, if any, going to others that do need it. We should worry about our own species, and by extension the planet, before others. It's not selfish, it's common sense.
This not my direct opinion, but the results of pretty much every statistic every gathered about this.
Well. We don't kill them but they are in awful conditions so the "i want to live" sign it is not that inappropriate. However, TJs tries to sell humanly raised options so maybe not the best place to protest
They should protest at walmart their milk is almost all imported or from 'industrial' farms that have little regards for their animals well being most of the milk my farm used to produce ended up at stores like aldi. But I've ceased production due to health concerns. I've sent most of my dairy herd to better farms than mine. I'm only keeping two dairy cows a four beef cows while I wait for my health to fail.
Exactly. I think it is so awesome what you di and what you ended up doing by sending them ti olaces you knew thwy qould be treated well. Get better soon!!. Ps: you are my hero I wish I had a farm
Farming is a lot of work but it's rewarding work and more people need to do it. i cared very much for my animals, they provided me with my home, my income and my food, so mistreating them would be like cutting off my own foot. I sold them only to local farms that I knew personally and had good reputations even if it meant taking a loss on market value.
Worked on farms (dairy and beef) that have owned a few thousand cattle. Each cow and bull was well looked after individually, they don't get relentlessly bred (they're able to have breaks in between calves to recover and rest, farmers could technically breed them quicker but don't in interest for the safety of cows), and they're all well fed. A lot of you, be honest, are saying that majority of farms are cruel and don't care about their animals. Have you ever been to one of these farms? Maybe reserve judgement until you actually go and visit them, instead of taking all your information from this disgusting propaganda. As a farmer it's soul destroying to be told you're abusing animals just because you look after more than five cows at a time.
@whospikedthepunch. Wal-Mart milk is packaged at a plant near me. They use all locally sourced milk from dozens and dozens of farms in our area. There is a Sorrento plant near us that does the same.
Nope, these cows have been bred for hundreds of years to produce more milk than the baby needs. They need to be milked. If not, mastitis and milk fever galore for cows. Have seen it and helped treat it, it's not fun for the cow.
You're right, Guest. But still they wouldn't need to be milked so much if we didn't constantly make them pregnant. I looked for informations about what you said and I think this article could be interesting https://pghvegan.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/cows-have-to-be-milked/
Ooooooh, working on a sunday?
Give those f@ckers a pass!
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Not saying it's a pass...just saying that they showed a little compassion. No one ever makes positive improvements when what small good they do manage to do gets looked over or turned into something meaningless
If their improvements depend so much on them being noticed for it, they're doing it for the wrong reasons.
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It doesn't. But instead of letting that information sit you said setting negative. That's noticing and being counter productive. You're helping create a current against the progress that wouldn't be there if you hadn't needed to say something because you think "once a jerk ways a jerk"
It wasn't THAT far out of my way.
The internet is usually just a walk to my coffee table.
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But you belittled something kind. You countered kindness with unwarranted meanness. You took the time to type out that it essentially means nothing in the vast scheme of things. Every little good counts, and each bit of negativity does as well. You seem to typically side with the negativity and pessimism instead of acknowledging and encouraging the good. If our children are bullies and we teach them to change their ways, and then casually tell them we don't believe them when they make a good change then we are hurting more than helping. We should encourage the niceness.
Christ. I find myself repeating myself far too often here.
If they are doing their kindnesses for the right reasons, it doesn't matter what I say.
You seem to want to deny me my right to be skeptical of them based on past actions. Spin it any way you like, but there's no logic to that.
Even if I were to never trust them again, if they truly have turned over a new leaf, what I think shouldn't stop them.
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I feel that you're taking my words wrong. I stated that it's fine to be skeptical. You can just maintain your skepticism and not belittle good deeds. I've explained myself to the extent that I will bother. There are always going to be those who turn kind things into a conspiracy or belittle them, but I dont think it will hinder progress, when being made for correct reasons, rather, it just doesn't help, and just gives those people an excuse to be heard
So it's fine to be skeptical, just as long as I keep my views to myself.
Got it.
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You don't have to keep them to yourself. So nah, you don't got it.
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I appreciate you trying to understand but I actually intended the message to be to acknowledge and encourage good deeds along with what your critical eye says warns you of without jumping to conclusions that one act of kindness is a free pass.
Technically you don't need to kill a cow in order to get her milk, but in most dairy industries and even sometimes farms, they are treated very badly and must go to slaughterhouse after they can't produce enough milk(most if times around 5 years, while they normally live around 20) and if a male is born, they kill him because he isn't profitable
So much misinformation, pascalito. 'Most dairy industries', when was the last time you visited one dairy farm, let alone many to form a truly informed opinion? 'most times around five years', where is your source for that? My source is my personal experience from working on dairies, where majority of happy, healthy cows live to fifteen-twenty years old, easily. They're never hungry, they're never beaten or even yelled at a lot of times, they're actually known by name or by the look of the cow. A lot of dairy farmers can look at a cow and instantly know the mother of that cow, and sometimes the grandmother. Farmers care about their cows. Even if you want to say that farmers are only in it for money (which is absolutely not true), well think of how logical it would be to abuse a cow that you want to make money for you. A happy cow is a profitable one. Go visit farms and talk to farmers before you spread your lies accidentally, it's what PETA want you to do.
I said "most dairy industries" and I was talking about the big industrial companies that keep cows inside 24/24 in individuals boxes. Nobody even need to visit that kind of places to know the cows aren't happy. And maybe I could be wrong about details but I'm trying my best to get the most information I can and I always look for reliable sources.
If you want sources, just look on google for how cows are treated in dairy factories. Literally every article I read stated they can't produce milk and are killed 5 years after they're born
I didn't claim anything. And I don't understand what you want.. you ask me to cite my statements so I give you sources, and now you want me to back up those sources..? That's what I just did by pointing out to you that there are more than just one source approving these statements.
Female cows are artificially inseminated against their will. Once having the baby, it is taken away from them, and many mother and baby cows will cry for each other. This is repeated over and over until the cow is not fit for giving birth anymore, and is turned into slaughter. Heartbraking.
If this was an abortion protest outside of PP we would be calling them cunts for not respecting the choices and lives of those around them. These nut jobs are just as bad. "Only my view matters you terrible sinners".
The problem is currently not how we get the food, but what we do with it. We have most food going to countries that don't need as much as they get and a tiny portion, if any, going to others that do need it. We should worry about our own species, and by extension the planet, before others. It's not selfish, it's common sense.
This not my direct opinion, but the results of pretty much every statistic every gathered about this.
Give those f@ckers a pass!
Who in their right mind would be skeptical of such a company.
Damn me for getting in the way of progress.
The internet is usually just a walk to my coffee table.
If they are doing their kindnesses for the right reasons, it doesn't matter what I say.
You seem to want to deny me my right to be skeptical of them based on past actions. Spin it any way you like, but there's no logic to that.
Even if I were to never trust them again, if they truly have turned over a new leaf, what I think shouldn't stop them.
Got it.
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I appreciate you trying to understand but I actually intended the message to be to acknowledge and encourage good deeds along with what your critical eye says warns you of without jumping to conclusions that one act of kindness is a free pass.
Wearing shades indoors? What is she thinking.
Ya learn something new every day.