dat language chat yo
by bethorien · 9 comments 4 years ago
bethorien · 4 years ago
@snowbeast
@creativedragonbaby
@xvarnah
i just pinged the folk who replied to my comment on the thing.
bethorien · 4 years ago
there aint really too much else to tell about cherokee syllabary. you may have noticed the "v" vowel in the last common about it. thats used because cherokee doesnt really have a V sound and we have an extra vowel compared to english so when we write the vowel phonetically it is a v, when you use legit official phonetic symbols you end up with ə̃. you literally cant find even a wikipedia page about that phonetic symbol and there are no videos on youtube about it. idk how to describe it so ill just say to youtube a video of "cherokee word of the week" which is a "commercial" ran between tv shows around here. Find one that's of the word "black" it has a v vowel at the start of it.
-
cherokee has another sound that english doesnt have, the consonant row of "ts"
tsa tse tsi tso tsu tsv
ts doesnt really adequitely describe it and its heavily accented depending on who is talking and where they are from. some might say a sound similar to a mix of J and ch or G and ch or
bethorien · 4 years ago
they might just say G or J or they might just say a ch sound.
bethorien · 4 years ago
from a history aspect of it, its a fairly simply story of how the written form of the language came about. a man named sequoyah saw white people had a way of communicating with drawings on paper and could communicate entire functional word for word sentences over these drawings on paper and decided that the cherokees needed to be able to do that to too so he just straight up sat down and invented the whole ass syllabary by himself. It took quite a bit of convincing to get people to use it but eventually we even started a newspaper in cherokee only and we teach cherokee to our kids in school here.
xvarnah · 4 years ago
So I watched the Black vid, and then I went through their playlist looking for words with V in it. The first ones I found were Pink, let's see each other again, and goodnight. So I watched those videos, and it left me with the impression that "v" is pronounced similar to one of english' pronunciations of the letter U.
.
Where Cherokee seem to use "u" for a more "ooo" sound, "v" seemed to be more of an "uhhh" sound. However in at least one of the videos (goodnight I think it was) the emphasis on the "uh" was extremely soft
.
Maybe I'm way off, that's just the impression they left me with haha
xvarnah · 4 years ago
Why do I get the feeling just ab out every written language got it's start by some guy just plopping himself down and going "if you see this symbol you're going to respond by making this sound"
.
That's really interesting though. I guess I kind of assumed Cherokee would have had their language in written form long before white people showed up, but then if they didn't have a huge access to paper or walls it makes sense they wouldn't have considered it
snowbeast · 4 years ago
@bethorien that's really interesting about the post-construction of the written language. Do you know when this was done and how it spread on the beginning? The v to me sounds like an English schwa or short u with a muted glottal stop (sorry I can't remember phonetic symbols).
bethorien · 4 years ago
it was all in the early 80s, the tribe started using it in an official capacity in the 1820s
bethorien · 4 years ago
and ye, idk how to really describe it but like, v has some umph to it.