Humans are sexual beings. Noticing something you like on another human kinda goes with the territory.
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It's one thing to feel sexual attraction towards someone. It's quite another to single out just a body part on someone and then to point it out to a kid. I am very pro-sexuality, but I believe it should be taught in a way that respects people as individuals.
Well, of course those are two different things. If you're trying to say that one is good and the other, by virtue of being different, is bad, then I'd say you're wrong.
In any case, the kid is going to learn about these things one way or the other. Personally, I'll be the one to teach my kids about this, not a bunch of his classmates who probably have no clue what they're talking about. Same goes for any teachers they come across, whose hands are tied as to what they can and can't say anyway, thanks to a bunch of activist parents and overly-religious politicians.
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I think we may be talking about slightly different things here. I'm not saying that children shouldn't be taught about body parts that are considered sexual. On the contrary, children should be taught proper names for body parts from the time they are born. I'm saying that sexuality should be taught in a way that emphasizes consent and respect. Ogling a strange woman's breasts with a child is not respectful at all, both to that woman and to his wife.
It's easy as a man to be blind to every day sexism such as the kind in this post, but please try to consider how this kind of attitude makes women feel.
Then just wear strictly baggy button up clothes. Nothing tight, heavier material and absolutely 0 cleavage. Get the rest of humanity to go along with it and you might be making a little progress with your "every day sexism".
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What are you talking about, fluffy? Mgoveia, men are not objectified the same way that women are. It's not just a case of normal human sexuality.
Do you really think so? I don't mean this as an insult, because I can honestly see why someone might think that, but to me, that sounds rather naive.
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Mgoveia, despite progress as a result of the feminist movement, men still hold more power in society. Although some women may view men as just being physically attractive, they aren't coming from the same socio-historic background.
In my experience, it's not just "some" women. Just like it's not just "some" men. People in general tend to perk up when attractive people appear. Take FS, for example. I haven't actually counted, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were nearly the same amount of J. Law posts as T. Hids posts.
In fact, taking magazines into account, I'd say women put even more stock into looks than men, but that's a bit of a tangent.
Btw, guest, do you mind maybe acting like an adult? FS already has enough of these http://funsubstance.com/comment/list/658509/
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Of course all people react to others that they find attractive. That's not what I have a problem with. The issue is with how women are valued mostly for sex appeal. How many times have you been groped in public by strangers? How many times has that happened in broad daylight with other people around who saw and said nothing? How many times have you been minding your own business only to have a car full of strangers - who outnumber and out power you - slow down and yell lewd things at you? How often have you been told to smile by strangers far older just so you can look better to them? It's naive to think that the sexes are treated equally.
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As far as magazines go, that's a problem with sexism being so deeply ingrained into our culture that some women have internalized it.
I've been touched (I wouldn't say "groped") by the opposite sex, and even the same sex a few times. It often happens at work, so...public. My wife has had the car thing happen to her before, when I wasn't there. Oh, what I would do if I was...but yeah, that's uber-douchey to do. I used to get told to smile CONSTANTLY up until my mid-late 20's. THAT pisses me off. I don't even care if they think they're paying me a compliment, it is INFURIATING knowing that they didn't consider that maybe there's a reason I'm not smiling.
Ugh...before I get distracted, can I just say that it's not only women that have to deal with many of these things?
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No, but it is disproportionately women who face these issues.
Hmmmm...some of it surely is, some of it may not be. It's shitty either way. I just think that there was no harm done with what was covered in the post.
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Well, thanks for keeping it civil. A lot of online discussions about feminism are met with personal attacks and threats of violence.
I think I'm getting too old for the threats of violence. :D
Half of my comments were done when I was super exhausted. I've been working an extra shift per week, 12 hours no less, because I'll no longer be able to work overtime in Sept when the new baby arrives. That, combined with playing single dad on my days off while MBGoveia works, makes daddy a dull boy.
It's not uncommon these days for me to get a sentence into a reply to someone just to delete it and give up because I just don't have the energy to even think straight.
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Congrats, mg. I definitely understand the too tired to think thing. :) Most of my posts are typed at any time of day or night while breastfeeding my little guy. Don't burn yourself out too much before your newborn arrives; you'll need your energy.
Being burned out, at this point, is basically regular mode for me. For the last year and a half, my average amount of sleep per night is around 4 hours.
My goal is to save up for #2's leftover medical bills before he or she is born. We just finished paying off #1's, using up 3/5 of our tax refunds. Call me crazy, but I hate having any sort of debt, including credit. So I'm getting ahead of the game on this one.
How old is your little guy? Has he started doing barrel rolls yet? /inb4aileronrollwhat'sstarfox?
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You're from the States, yeah? I've heard birthing costs are ridiculous there. I'm so grateful to have Canada's healthcare system, despite waitlists. My son is nearly 12 weeks now. He's rolling from tummy to back, but not quite the other way yet. How old is your firstborn now? I'm guessing 1.5 from your post.
How about a comprimise, ok? If a person dresses like they want to be noticed, its fine to look. If they dont, but it shows anyway, dont point it out, resect their wishes to bot be ogled at.
In any case, the kid is going to learn about these things one way or the other. Personally, I'll be the one to teach my kids about this, not a bunch of his classmates who probably have no clue what they're talking about. Same goes for any teachers they come across, whose hands are tied as to what they can and can't say anyway, thanks to a bunch of activist parents and overly-religious politicians.
In fact, taking magazines into account, I'd say women put even more stock into looks than men, but that's a bit of a tangent.
Btw, guest, do you mind maybe acting like an adult? FS already has enough of these http://funsubstance.com/comment/list/658509/
Ugh...before I get distracted, can I just say that it's not only women that have to deal with many of these things?
Half of my comments were done when I was super exhausted. I've been working an extra shift per week, 12 hours no less, because I'll no longer be able to work overtime in Sept when the new baby arrives. That, combined with playing single dad on my days off while MBGoveia works, makes daddy a dull boy.
It's not uncommon these days for me to get a sentence into a reply to someone just to delete it and give up because I just don't have the energy to even think straight.
My goal is to save up for #2's leftover medical bills before he or she is born. We just finished paying off #1's, using up 3/5 of our tax refunds. Call me crazy, but I hate having any sort of debt, including credit. So I'm getting ahead of the game on this one.
How old is your little guy? Has he started doing barrel rolls yet? /inb4aileronrollwhat'sstarfox?
If you want your kid to roll and crawl NOW, go ahead and get one of these. http://www.amazon.com/Earlyears-Fill-Fun-Water-Mat/dp/B000E82WRM/ref=sr_1_1?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1399407369&sr=1-1&keywords=water+mat
My son was at that very stage, then we gave him this. We almost immediately regretted it, though, so enjoy your son's lack of mobility and troublemaking while you can!
The costs of childbirth here actually aren't so bad, and if you don't have insurance, it's basically FREE!