My faith in humanity is not "restored", nor will it be as young children are still being taken advantage of. The young girl will still be deeply disturbed and distressed by this, while it is good the father was not charged it still shouldn't be happening. I understand people will claim I'm being too serious but people are taught from a very young age, women especially, to not "ask for it" and to walk in groups and not dress provocatively. When we shouldn't be training our youths this, we should be doing something about the large population of pedophiles that endanger precious lives, I understand the point of teaching our kids to stay safe is in our best efforts to protect them I still don't feel they should be scared for themselves and constantly worried for their safety. And now I realize I'm going on a very long rant. Oh well.
Guest, please watch this video. It explains exactly why your logic is flawed. This man explains it better than I ever could, and I take no credit for his explanation. My only goal is to educate people about this issue.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcHM0s4o
We do need to make it much more clear though that it is not the fault of the person who got raped, since even if they weren't actively avoiding any chance of it (because that's impossible), it's still not their /fault/. We should teach people how to better protect themselves, but just like telling people not to walk through shady areas at night to avoid getting murdered, it's not 100%. It still happens and there's no way to classify everything. People make mistakes, and I think the idea behind "teaching them not to rape" is that victim blaming in cases of rape is still a thing, and it needs to stop. There /might/ have been more you could have done, but pointing that out isn't helpful. It's still the rapists fault.
I tried watching the video that was linked above, but at shortly before the 6 minute mark the narrator says that it isn't rape if you consent but the sex is "awful" and you say no but the guy finishes anyway. I gave up, I was on board until that point. Any valid points are negated by that one statement. Once either partner says no or indicates that they no longer wish to engage in sexual activity it becomes non consensual. Both partners have the right to stop at any point. Once you cross that line it becomes rape. No one is obligated to continue an act of sexual gratification simply because its been begun.
Whilst I agree with you on a person changing their mind in the middle of the act, a single bad argument does not negate the validity of the other arguments. Sounds to me like you're just trying to find a reason not to consider an opposing point of view.
No, it doesn't. But the whole thing was borderline for me at that point already. The guy was being awfully dismissive and made a number of other questionable statements but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. That statement cemented in my mind that he wasn't so much trying to disprove the teach our sons philosophy (and I agree that people should always exercise caution and not just assume that you can "teach"someone not to rape, I don't believe that's any kind of solution) as he was shifting blame. Maybe in certain instances a woman could have made better decisions, but at the end of the day rape is rape. Blaming the victim does nothing but minimize the magnitude of the situation.
They should have this punishment for molesters and rapists where they set up a booth, and you can buy tickets to punch them for 30 seconds per ticket. All proceeds would then go to the charities that help rape/molestation survivors and stuff.
You want to solve violence with more violence, i strongly disagree with you.
And regarding the note, i undertstand that finding yourself in such situation can be overwhelming, and can get you out of control, but at some point, "self defense" becomes murder. Do everything you can to stop the molester, knock him out, broke his legs, do something, but beating him to death is too far in my opinion. At some point the molester was "out", unconscious and the father didn't stop there, that's when you cross the line.. On top of that picture the poor child watching his dad beating someone to death, all the blood, etc... just makes it even more traumatic. I'm glad he could save his daughter of course, but for me it doesn't restore faith in humanity.
I agree with some of that, (solving violence with violence is never the right thing to do if you have another option) but I really doubt he was intending to kill the guy. But the fact is, beating someone to unconsciousness will kill them if they don't get medical attention soon enough. I highly doubt that the father continued hitting the man after he was knocked out, especially since they said that the shack was out of the way, he probably tried to get his daughter out of there. The ambulance simply didn't come soon enough to save the man. Even if he hadn't beaten him unconscious that could have been the case.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcHM0s4o
And regarding the note, i undertstand that finding yourself in such situation can be overwhelming, and can get you out of control, but at some point, "self defense" becomes murder. Do everything you can to stop the molester, knock him out, broke his legs, do something, but beating him to death is too far in my opinion. At some point the molester was "out", unconscious and the father didn't stop there, that's when you cross the line.. On top of that picture the poor child watching his dad beating someone to death, all the blood, etc... just makes it even more traumatic. I'm glad he could save his daughter of course, but for me it doesn't restore faith in humanity.