As a Christian I would just like to apologize sincerely for 1) our poor grammar and 2) our inability to argue a point logically and coherently without relying on textbook fallacies like ad hominem, strawman, and slippery slope.
I do not support abortion but I recognize the internet is a terrible platform for me to proselytize.
Furthermore, we Christians have spent far too much time trying to change the world by turning our morality into political agendas. Again, sorry about that.
I think it depends on the circumstances really. I would always say it's the mother's choice as she's the one who'll have to take on that responsibity- but overall, I think if she was raped, she might die, she was too young or the baby had a disability (not saying that disabled people should be aborted. but if it's a severe one and she feels she wouldn't be able to cope or feels that it wouldn't have a good life, it's her choice). But I think that if a woman comes to the doctor with, "It was a mistake." more than once and the baby is perfectly healthy, then-and only then, would I be a bit like, "....um..."
I just love how some of you think that adoption is far more better than abortion.. You are so clueless of how many horrible ppl are aloud to adopt making the child wish it was aborted! ..no idea -_- I've seen sooooo many bad cases it makes me sick.
there's plenty of good parents who simply can't have children of their own. the first problem is when there's too many children and they can't find suitable parents for all of them.
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· 10 years ago
Jesus save us from the incoming christians!
Oh, wait..
So because there are plenty of humans it's ok to kill them? That is the worst logic ever. I think It's ok in cases of rape, incest or if the child jeopardizes the mothers life but just because you're being irresponsible doesn't mean you can just kill another human to fix your mistake.
You were the one who implied killing certain animals. I never said it was okay to kill them either (humans, I mean). Besides, while I agree they should be responsible of their actions, do you want a child to be born in an environment were he/she/they are not going to feel loved because their parents think they were a "mistake" (even if they end up in adoption centers)? Not only that, but sometimes, the parents are also irresponsible when they DO want the baby, but said baby already has problems (or presented signs of serious diseases), what about those cases too? Are we going to praise the parents there for accepting to deal with whatever that might entail? What about the baby? Do you want your child to live like that for their entire lives?
So because somebody is in a bad situation it's ok to kill them? By the way, since your parents are getting old and just kind of in the way. We're going to kill them. Don't worry, there are plenty more humans so it's ok.
Are we talking about euthanasia here now? By the way, since you mentioned my parents, my mom has expressed if she ever gets in a situation where she is going to live thanks to machines, she wants to be put to sleep when no other option is available because she said she does not want to continue like that because that is no living at all.
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Everyone is entitled to their choices, regardless of the morality of it all. Dealing with the consequences of it will come later
I am not talking about me and it's not about not wanting to raise them. I never said your opinion was ridiculous, so why are you?
There are so many things that could be happening in the woman's life that none would understand. Only she decides.
Dude, it's a baby's life we're talking about. Just cause she doesn't want a baby doesn't mean she should kill it. She's gotta suck it up, birth it, then either raise it or put it in foster care
And like I've said before, it's okay that that's what you think.
I think she shouldn't go through a pregnancy if she doesn't wants to, it would be scarring and a torture.
Go ask your mom if she would have rather aborted you than to raise you. I'm sure she'll say it was all worth it. If you think abortion is ok than your probably way to young to even think about having children
I repeat, I am not talking about me. I think I'd like to have them someday, and I still believe the woman has a choice, so I don't see how that affects it.
If the woman believes it too, she then can give them in adoption and then someone will probably take care of them, but if she's not willing to go with it and it is just too much for her, she shouldn't be forced to birth.
Oh ok i see. So just kill the baby. Don't give it a chance to live because the girl thinks it will be too painful and traumatizing. It's not like the baby could have grown up to do something great or anything... -_-
It's not what the woman "thinks". It being scarring doesn't have anything to do with the physical pain, but even if that was what she's afraid of, she shouldn't be forced to it and she shouldn't have to give reasons to anybody.
I don't know why are you putting her aside. You should probably have and adopt all babies. If you want people to listen to your opinions, sarcasm isn't the way. It is childish and disrespectful.
You can re-read all my replies, and I never was sarcastic, I always respected and thought it was correct to have a different opinion, like you should do.
I think that one thing that you have to understand thatoneguy is that abortion isn't killing a fucking baby. It's just not having a fetus be born. I agree that it is completely wrong on every level to kill a living baby, but if the mother was either raped, or simply can't take care of a baby or has any other reason to abort, it is her choice. Let me repeat that a fetus is not a baby and abortion is not killing a baby.
(Sorry for jumping on here really late) Dead bodies are given more respect than women's bodies. If you choose in life to not donate your organs, you cannot simply take them anyways. If it is against the religion or personal beliefs of the deceased to have their bodies "desecrated" by an autopsy, then the autopsy cannot be performed. Also, if a family member needed a kidney or a blood transfusion and you were the best fit but you refused to do it, they can't force you to give up your blood or organs.
On the other hand, pro-life supporters are asking women to go through a school year's worth of time (with no breaks) to support this growing fetus. They must endure hormonal and other body changes, massive mood swings, cravings, morning sickness, and back pain only to end in pushing a baby out of the pelvis, which is helped along by literally stretching the two halves farther apart (incredibly painful, as one can imagine) and huge contractions that are also painful. After that her body is-
-left permanently altered. Pro-life asks women to give up their bodily rights for something that doesn't even have a brain yet (around when most abortions happen).
And my own personal opinion is that men shouldn't really have much of a say in the matter, depending on circumstances
I think the woman shouldn't go through it if she doesn't want to, and other people don't really have a say on it.
If you think that it is something that shouldn't be done, it is a correct opinion, and I hope that you or the ones involved with you, don't ever have this situation.
Thatoneguy I think you should come down... I don't support abortion either but yelling at people over their opinion isn't going to solve anything. Taeminnieah was being totally respectful and just stating her opinion... YOU are the reason supporters of abortion and/or Christians get a bad rep
Thatoneguy you don't understand that abortion is not killing a baby. A baby has been born and an abortion is simply removing a fetus that is not conscious or alive
But really "God wouldn't do that"?. Right, because bad things NEVER happen.
I do not support abortion but I recognize the internet is a terrible platform for me to proselytize.
Furthermore, we Christians have spent far too much time trying to change the world by turning our morality into political agendas. Again, sorry about that.
Oh, wait..
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Everyone is entitled to their choices, regardless of the morality of it all. Dealing with the consequences of it will come later
I think the woman is more important.
There are so many things that could be happening in the woman's life that none would understand. Only she decides.
I think she shouldn't go through a pregnancy if she doesn't wants to, it would be scarring and a torture.
I don't know why are you putting her aside. You should probably have and adopt all babies. If you want people to listen to your opinions, sarcasm isn't the way. It is childish and disrespectful.
You can re-read all my replies, and I never was sarcastic, I always respected and thought it was correct to have a different opinion, like you should do.
On the other hand, pro-life supporters are asking women to go through a school year's worth of time (with no breaks) to support this growing fetus. They must endure hormonal and other body changes, massive mood swings, cravings, morning sickness, and back pain only to end in pushing a baby out of the pelvis, which is helped along by literally stretching the two halves farther apart (incredibly painful, as one can imagine) and huge contractions that are also painful. After that her body is-
And my own personal opinion is that men shouldn't really have much of a say in the matter, depending on circumstances
If you think that it is something that shouldn't be done, it is a correct opinion, and I hope that you or the ones involved with you, don't ever have this situation.