Are their any doctors or nurses on here?
If you are, how often do you get patients that you would prefer not to help?
Have you ever been scared of treating somebody because of their appearance (e.g. Swastika tattoos, gang patches etc.)?
I'm not a nurse, but I work in a small doctors office (Nephrology to be exact) with 8 employees (2 of them are RNs, and 3 are MAs). We encounter numerous people on a daily basis who are rude, degrading, racist, sexist...you name it, we probably have it. We all try to chalk it up to the problems they are facing or the medications they are on, but at the end of the day it's incredibly hard not to simply view them as a straight up a-hole. We of course do everything we can for them and remain polite as we can while doing so (there's only so much abuse you can take before you say something).
A swastika in the form of a diamond is for Nazi sympathizes, but a swastika in the form of a square is (or was, before the Nazi party) a symbol of peace and used in religious and other practice. Just for those who didn't know~
Reminds me of the episode of grey's anatomy where they operate on a guy with a swastika tattoo and they end up scaring it so that it no longer looks like one.
The pizza shop is exercising their right not to serve to people they choose. Let them be. Go get pizza somewhere else, exercise your right to choose what establishment is for you. No one is forcing the gay community to eat at that specific location.
Setting aside that's what happening naturally, as well as the fact that nobody was going to them to cater their gay wedding, I'd like to ask you if you think it's ok for these people to be accepting money from political parties in exchange for their hateful views.
Actually, people don't have the right to refuse service to someone just because they don't like them, whether it's because of sexual orientation or race/gender/religion (obviously not everywhere, but in lots of countries).
In America it's actually a constitutionally protected right.. and most philosophers consider it a basic human right.. read about "freedom of association." It is the freedom from the state being able to force you to join groups or spend time with people you disagree with. It's actually a very serious principle and to deny it is a basic violation of human rights. Just because you don't agree with how someone uses that right doesn't mean you can take it away. If you do that what's to stop others from taking away YOUR rights when a different group is in power.
in summary, while your well intentioned ignorance amuses me, it also frightens me because most of the voting world feels the way you do, that rights can be taken when the "end justifies the means." That never ends well.
Potato, potahto.
IIRC, a pizza restaurant went out of business over this, then was donated something like 800k from the republican party. Are you sure that's a precedent that should be set in our country?
Hell yes. I would hope that people would come together to stand up to bullies. I'm 100% gay rights, but if your message is liberal tolerance and your definition of tolerance is to try to force those who don't agree with you out of business and ruin their lives over a cake or pizza you can get literally anywhere else, then yes, that's exactly what I want America to be. And if you disagree you're an asshat of the biggest magnitude and I hope you die before you reproduce or reach the age to vote.
Wow. You sure seem well-adjusted.
Refusing service to AN AMERICAN (let alone a guest to our country) based on their sexuality is ridiculous, not to mention nobody was going to them to have their gay wedding catered to begin with. Replace "gay wedding" with ANYthing, ie black, interracial, or God-forbid, Christian, and you may well be singing a different tune.
Unfortunately, the homosexual population, at least in America, is one of the last segments of society that is considered ok to screw over openly like this.
This was never anything more than a proxy battle for some republicans, and they did what they normally do when faced with a losing situation, they threw money at it.
And before you even start, don't waste my time with the sanctity of marriage argument. That never held water, and is BARELY sufficient for your kind's groupthink circlejerks.
Your reading comprehension is terrible so I'll use smaller words...
1) I am for gay rights.
2) Businesses have the right to refuse service to ANYONE for any reason constitutionally
3) I never said I agreed with their actions. Nor do I agree with your stupidity. You're both on the same level to me. But I WOULD die to protect your right to be so stupid. Also their rights to be racist bigots. You can't legislate people into being nice nor into being smart. You shouldn't do the first for moral reasons and if the second were possible I wouldn't be having this ridiculous conversation with so many people.
My reading comprehension MAY be terrible, as I DO have a 2y/o and 8 month old to myself all weekend, but even so, I can comprehend how ridiculous it is to say you'd DIE for AMERICANS to have the right to HATE other AMERICANS, and proceed to take actual action against them in our society. Is there nothing else you have worth dying for? Like perhaps rewording a law intended to protect someone's business and safety from being twisted to deny people service based solely on race, creed, color, etc? That's not acceptable when hiring, why should it be elsewhere?
Should we also be throwing away legislation that gave women and blacks the right to vote? Just trying to figure out how deep into the wrong side of history we are, here.
Btw, many politicians give lip service to gay rights, as well. Usually during election years...
@baja, a business cannot refuse service to anybody based upon race, color, creed, or sex. Would you be saying the same thing if they didn't want to cater a black wedding, or a straight wedding because it's against their beliefs?
Yes, absolutely. And yes they can. Tell me why they cannot? I would be saying the same thing. I think if I wanna open an LGTB dwarf only business, or a kkk only business that the government has no right to interfere. I would applaud them. The community will decide wether they want to support these businesses with their money. I don't think they will last long, but I think if they want to buy a property to do something silly like that with then more power to them. It's, again, a basic human right. Tell me legally why people shouldn't be able to do these things?
And @mgoveia, you've set up too many false comparisons for me to bother replying to them all individually. The freedom of association is a right reserved for individuals, not governement. So no, it has nothing to do with voting rights.
And no, I would not die for a law that restricts your right to do what you want with YOUR property. Are you seriously advocating the government be able to tell you what to do with YOUR property? That's crazy to an incredible degree.
If you are, how often do you get patients that you would prefer not to help?
Have you ever been scared of treating somebody because of their appearance (e.g. Swastika tattoos, gang patches etc.)?
in summary, while your well intentioned ignorance amuses me, it also frightens me because most of the voting world feels the way you do, that rights can be taken when the "end justifies the means." That never ends well.
IIRC, a pizza restaurant went out of business over this, then was donated something like 800k from the republican party. Are you sure that's a precedent that should be set in our country?
Refusing service to AN AMERICAN (let alone a guest to our country) based on their sexuality is ridiculous, not to mention nobody was going to them to have their gay wedding catered to begin with. Replace "gay wedding" with ANYthing, ie black, interracial, or God-forbid, Christian, and you may well be singing a different tune.
Unfortunately, the homosexual population, at least in America, is one of the last segments of society that is considered ok to screw over openly like this.
This was never anything more than a proxy battle for some republicans, and they did what they normally do when faced with a losing situation, they threw money at it.
And before you even start, don't waste my time with the sanctity of marriage argument. That never held water, and is BARELY sufficient for your kind's groupthink circlejerks.
1) I am for gay rights.
2) Businesses have the right to refuse service to ANYONE for any reason constitutionally
3) I never said I agreed with their actions. Nor do I agree with your stupidity. You're both on the same level to me. But I WOULD die to protect your right to be so stupid. Also their rights to be racist bigots. You can't legislate people into being nice nor into being smart. You shouldn't do the first for moral reasons and if the second were possible I wouldn't be having this ridiculous conversation with so many people.
Should we also be throwing away legislation that gave women and blacks the right to vote? Just trying to figure out how deep into the wrong side of history we are, here.
Btw, many politicians give lip service to gay rights, as well. Usually during election years...
And @mgoveia, you've set up too many false comparisons for me to bother replying to them all individually. The freedom of association is a right reserved for individuals, not governement. So no, it has nothing to do with voting rights.