The middle east had a slave trade network directly to Africa that brought more slaves than Americans ever owned. There aren't as many slaves in the middle east today because they would castrate them. But blm also says that to not like Islam is to be racist.
Remember when the BLM crowd was questioning all the potential presidential candidates, and asked them "do black lives matter?" Any answer other then yes black lives matter was met with derision and jeers. Even the people that said all lives matter were shouted down because it didn't support BLM.
The following is from reddits user GeekAesthete regarding thew question why it's at least unfortunate to claim that all lives matter:
(https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says/)
"Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!
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The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.
That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.
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The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.
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Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.
TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to."
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Cause you, as the official spokesperson of all non-white people, say so? Sorry, they didn't teach us that at "hate your own white race" class I'm afraid.
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What is your assertion based on actually? Some black dude carrying a #blm sign? Who _really_ says ONLY black lives matter? The word evident is related to the word evidence, that's why I'm asking.
Rioting, looting, threatening and attacking whites and cops, disrupting political rallies and at least one gay pride event, and demanding that society be restructured to cater to blacks.
All of this is also sanctioned/ encouraged by BLM leaders.
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They may or may not have actually said it, but actions are always louder than words.
"All of this is also sanctioned/ encouraged by BLM leaders. " - This is a blatant lie. Definbe "leader". Same way as you represent the opinion of non-whites?
I never claimed to represent non- whites.
I've only ever mentioned my race so that people won't dismiss my opinion thinking that I'm just some butthurt white guy.
I don't see you as representing anyone. Only some butthurt white kids, afraid for their white privilege, kind of seemed to do so. Don't you remember? And can you see how you're kind of proving my point here? I guess not...
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So, again, who exactly are these "BLM leaders" who sanction/encourage "Rioting, looting, threatening and attacking whites and cops, disrupting political rallies and at least one gay pride event, and demanding that society be restructured to cater to blacks"?
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This will probably be another question you choose not to answer, in this thread alone.
I don't think it is the content of your comment, this time. None of those red arrows are mine, but you usually come across quite abrasive and belittling and frankly most people think you are a douche. The trouble is that when you are right about an issue most people think,"Fuck that asshole anyway". I get a similar reaction from some people, but you are the grand master.
I coudn't care less when a handful of pale, butthurt fratboys and -girls thinks I'm a douche. I just find it worth mentioning that this _often_ happens just minutes after I post something. And it's not like dozens of down votes, just a few. And _mainly_ during american day and evening times, not europeans. Just sayin'... so what about "most" people? Most out of what?
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And what about Shaun King? Really curious what your point is here...
I ain't white, I wasn't even raised white, so let me give it to you straight. From the eyes of a Native American/Mexican.
The BLM movement targets whites, and blues while prioritizing themselves over Mexicans, Asians, Indians and even gays.
BLM is a racist movement against everyone who isn't black, and no amount of liberal 'logic', 'justifications', or white guilt can change that.
The truly sad part is that while the movement initially started out as something positive, it's been overtaken by a lot of people who don't even necessarily have a direction... they just want something/someone to yell at... which is terrible because there were/are people in that same group who are actually trying to do things the right way and send the right message.
I feel like basically every positive-at-first social justice movement gets hijacked by loud brain-dead morons nowadays. It really sucks because we can never actually achieve progress when every movement calling for progress is sabotaged by extremist retards.
The Huffington post is a left wing propaganda rag. If they were in print I'd advise you to use the HuffPo to line the bottom of a rodent cage and nothing more.
It was an inside joke to myself.
I was beating some guy at an argument/debate and he decided to claim that because I wasn't raised in tha hood that I was raised too white to have a valid opinion.
It's because I take my education somewhat seriously and don't live in a ghetto.
I've caught flak for talking white too.
I swear, the biggest thing holding minorities back is ourselves and each other.
First of all this is explicitly about the black minority, which has a fundamentally different history than all other minorities in the USA. All other minorities went there more or less voluntarily, and they were all see as human beings. Humans of lesser value, but not as working animals.
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Now, when people within the black minority turn against each other, what exact process do you think causes that, where is it coming from? Do you really believe there would be anything coming from within the black community that is NOT caused directly or indirectly by americas history of slavery and what came after it? What would that be in your opinion?
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My explanation would be that: you treat people like scum, so they feel like scum, so they act like scum. What's yours?
They act like scum and ostracize any of their own that try to rise above.
Slavery hasn't been a thing in the US for generations.
It can't be used to justify their actions anymore.
The Irish rose above, many of the Mexicans rose above, even the natives and the Chinese rose above, the only thing holding back those who haven't rose above is themselves and each other.
Most of the blacks transported to the Americas during the Slave trade were POWs from conflicts between tribes in Africa. White peoples rarely chased them down and captured then.
So @famousone, you didn't answer my question, and I wonder why. You think black people just have it in their genes to be scum? Cause what else would be left? And on what exact day was slavery "not a thing" any more? Like, shortly before racism got to be a thing? History, motherfucker, you dig it? Why don''t you just repeat exactly what you said before? Maybe this time it starts making sense.
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@pokethebear: what has that got to do with anything? Does that make slavery better? Did anyone trick white americans into keeping slaves? Were they lied to by those bad, bad black people in africa who sold them the slaves? That's the lamest shit here sofar.
@funsubstanceuser famousone said literally the OPPOSITE of what you suggested, he said people CHOOSE how they end up based on their surroundings and influences. Also if you read his comments, I think he's actually black. Using your disgusting SJW logic, that makes him infinitely more qualified in his opinion than you are. Take a seat, bitch.
Take a reading class, kiddo. None of what you write makes any sense. Nowhere has he given an explanation, and in this very fucking thread he claims to be native american/mexican. Yeah, well, to you that's probably pretty much the same as black. Your name sure is program.
Ok sure, if he's native American/Mexican he's still, in your eyes, a ''''''''person of color'''''''' and your SJW kind have to worship him, cuz as a white person you're less OPRESSED than him. Rip!
Uhm, following your own "logic", shouldn't you as a devoted KKK supporter, rather support me, the blueprint white hetero man, than him the redskin spic?
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Does this break your sorry imitation of a brain?
It would if I were a devoted KKK member, but in reality I'm just a normal human. You're just so far up your own ass that, to you, anyone who doesn't agree with your extremist SJW views is instantly an evil bigot.
I would if I were a devoted SJW, but in reality I'm just a normal human. You're just so far up your own ass that, to you, anyone who doesn't agree with your extremist KKK views is instantly a freedom-hating communist genderbending fag.
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My 9-year-oldish is a little rusty, but doesn't that basically say: "you got me good but I would like to bring a comeback so please take my clueless gibberish instead and pretend it hit you."?
Lost what, track of all your meaningless bullshit? Where's your answer to my question, what you think is the cause for the certain behavior you mentioned?
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I sometimes miss having someone like funsubstanceuser to argue with.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says/)
"Imagine that you're sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don't get any. So you say "I should get my fair share." And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, "everyone should get their fair share." Now, that's a wonderful sentiment -- indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad's smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn't solve the problem that you still haven't gotten any!
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The problem is that the statement "I should get my fair share" had an implicit "too" at the end: "I should get my fair share, too, just like everyone else." But your dad's response treated your statement as though you meant "only I should get my fair share", which clearly was not your intention. As a result, his statement that "everyone should get their fair share," while true, only served to ignore the problem you were trying to point out.
That's the situation of the "black lives matter" movement. Culture, laws, the arts, religion, and everyone else repeatedly suggest that all lives should matter. Clearly, that message already abounds in our society.
2bctnd
The problem is that, in practice, the world doesn't work the way. You see the film Nightcrawler? You know the part where Renee Russo tells Jake Gyllenhal that she doesn't want footage of a black or latino person dying, she wants news stories about affluent white people being killed? That's not made up out of whole cloth -- there is a news bias toward stories that the majority of the audience (who are white) can identify with. So when a young black man gets killed (prior to the recent police shootings), it's generally not considered "news", while a middle-aged white woman being killed is treated as news. And to a large degree, that is accurate -- young black men are killed in significantly disproportionate numbers, which is why we don't treat it as anything new. But the result is that, societally, we don't pay as much attention to certain people's deaths as we do to others. So, currently, we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally.
2bctnd
Just like asking dad for your fair share, the phrase "black lives matter" also has an implicit "too" at the end: it's saying that black lives should also matter. But responding to this by saying "all lives matter" is willfully going back to ignoring the problem. It's a way of dismissing the statement by falsely suggesting that it means "only black lives matter," when that is obviously not the case. And so saying "all lives matter" as a direct response to "black lives matter" is essentially saying that we should just go back to ignoring the problem.
TL;DR: The phrase "Black lives matter" carries an implicit "too" at the end; it's saying that black lives should also matter. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissing the very problems that the phrase is trying to draw attention to."
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What is your assertion based on actually? Some black dude carrying a #blm sign? Who _really_ says ONLY black lives matter? The word evident is related to the word evidence, that's why I'm asking.
All of this is also sanctioned/ encouraged by BLM leaders.
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They may or may not have actually said it, but actions are always louder than words.
I've only ever mentioned my race so that people won't dismiss my opinion thinking that I'm just some butthurt white guy.
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So, again, who exactly are these "BLM leaders" who sanction/encourage "Rioting, looting, threatening and attacking whites and cops, disrupting political rallies and at least one gay pride event, and demanding that society be restructured to cater to blacks"?
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This will probably be another question you choose not to answer, in this thread alone.
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And what about Shaun King? Really curious what your point is here...
The BLM movement targets whites, and blues while prioritizing themselves over Mexicans, Asians, Indians and even gays.
BLM is a racist movement against everyone who isn't black, and no amount of liberal 'logic', 'justifications', or white guilt can change that.
I was beating some guy at an argument/debate and he decided to claim that because I wasn't raised in tha hood that I was raised too white to have a valid opinion.
So someone seriously told you,a non white guy,that you're too white to have a valid opinion? Jesus fuck.
I've caught flak for talking white too.
I swear, the biggest thing holding minorities back is ourselves and each other.
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Now, when people within the black minority turn against each other, what exact process do you think causes that, where is it coming from? Do you really believe there would be anything coming from within the black community that is NOT caused directly or indirectly by americas history of slavery and what came after it? What would that be in your opinion?
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My explanation would be that: you treat people like scum, so they feel like scum, so they act like scum. What's yours?
Slavery hasn't been a thing in the US for generations.
It can't be used to justify their actions anymore.
The Irish rose above, many of the Mexicans rose above, even the natives and the Chinese rose above, the only thing holding back those who haven't rose above is themselves and each other.
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@pokethebear: what has that got to do with anything? Does that make slavery better? Did anyone trick white americans into keeping slaves? Were they lied to by those bad, bad black people in africa who sold them the slaves? That's the lamest shit here sofar.
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Does this break your sorry imitation of a brain?
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Equally true and back-upped story