I'm in no way condoning the act, but it's honestly just child curiosity. You see a four year old with a hand down his pants and you know what he's doing. It's a totally normal part of self-psychological development. As for little kids doing it to each other, it's a also a curiosity thing. They just have o be taught that's not okay--especially without permission.
Ummm, no it's not. Kids can be curious, but in this case se looked inside her sisters vagina when she was still a baby. And it didn't stop there. As she got older she would "pay" her sister for things like letting her lay in bed with her, kiss her on the lips, etc. She even wrote about the the she masturbated while her sister was laying in bed next to her. This is not child curiosity, there is something seriously wrong with that woman
Well she's the one who put it out there in the first place when she wrote about it in her book. I don't see why she'd put out false accusations about herself.
Why y'all crying rape and assault? What else can it be besides a (extreme) curiosity as to what would happen, what it looks like, what happens if xyz and abc?
You're saying you were never curious as to why your pee pee got hard, what [the other gender] had between their legs, what it looked like inside a vagina, is it sensitive in there (what happens if you put rocks in), what happens when you poke a testicle too hard? Admittedly it's a bit weird doing it to an infant because you don't get feedback from the recipient but it's most definitely curiosity. I see no reason to attribute malice, power dominance/power play, selfishness/self-pleasure over other's comfort, or sadism to this event.
There is no way a 5 year old can comprehend any consequences beyond the immediate short term being "oh rocks hurt let's not stick them up places". What she did was wrong by objective modern adult standards but as a kindergartner? gais plis. You can't judge a baby by adult standards. What if she was just mimicking what she saw (regarding the kissing and masturbating thing)? Assault is a bad thing but jumping to conclusions and accusing someone of assault is far worse.
Reply to me you fuckholes. Why am I wrong? What is the fault in my logic? I remember wanting to make an account for a while, seeing arguments like this in the past, and wondering whether it's actually worth it because nobody here can form a coherent argument besides "muh morals" and "but it's not right". And once again, I realize that maybe I don't want to be part of this community because you're all so fucking toxic. You jump on a god damn five year old for exploring sexuality, biology, and emotional response. You all decry rape and assault (which I have nothing against) but you your rape brush is so wide that if someone tripped and leaned into a woman's boobs, you'd be pulling an ISIS style execution for rape. Fuck you all.
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You idjit. I didn't say what she did was okay, nor did I say that any of the acts she did to her sister were okay (and I hadn't read what happened between her and had sister, so yeah, my bad or whatever).
I SAID KIDS TOUCH THEMSELVES AND THAT'S WHAT'S normal.
Smh.
Kids don't touch themselves at the age of 1 or 7, which Lena was at the time.
And I never said you said the acts were OK. What I said was this was not a case of child curiosity.
Kids most definitely touch themselves that young. Not necessarily for pleasure, but just for "what does this even do" and "why do you have a flab of flesh and I have a slit".
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Did she understand that this was a bad thing? Not sticking rocks where they don't belong, but the part about sexual assault (vaguely generic term with a specific connotationfor my purposes). The moment she had the realization that it was wrong is when it became wrong. Even if it went on from ages 5 to 8 (3 years for those of you lazy counters) I still can't realistically imagine someone that young understanding even the concept of assault and battery and permanent harm. A bit after, maybe between 9 years and whenever the start of sexual maturation is, would be when I start drawing the line. You cannot crucify a five year old for exploring themselves and others.
@sincere_milkshake
I wasn't trying to weigh in an opinion on Lena, I was adding information to a discussion.
And you totally just reiterated the same thing I said. Kids find out they have body parts that do thing. Of course they're going to be curious if their function. kids may not touch themselves at 1 but they surely do at 7. I don't know a lot about little kids touching other kids, but I know it's not unheard of.
And fine. But if the debate was whether or not what she did was curiosity--I don't know. I can't say it is or isn't. Because that's where I'm not so educated.
I don't care how long this went on. For at least the first few years this was completely innocent. You can argue that when bribery came into play, it became wrong and I won't argue against that but do not say that a child exploring themselves is wrong.
Well strictly speaking you weren't the one who said that but you said that wasn't normal. That's directly saying I'm wrong while implicitly agreeing with the commenter above you b
Fine. Since we're not arguing anymore, go fuck yourself. All of you fuckholes. You all are willing to ruin a five year old for the terrible sin of curiosity.
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Once is curiosity. Anything more than that is abuse, even if it was unintentional.
I think she was a young child, maybe around 5/6?
You idjit. I didn't say what she did was okay, nor did I say that any of the acts she did to her sister were okay (and I hadn't read what happened between her and had sister, so yeah, my bad or whatever).
I SAID KIDS TOUCH THEMSELVES AND THAT'S WHAT'S normal.
Smh.
And I never said you said the acts were OK. What I said was this was not a case of child curiosity.
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Did she understand that this was a bad thing? Not sticking rocks where they don't belong, but the part about sexual assault (vaguely generic term with a specific connotationfor my purposes). The moment she had the realization that it was wrong is when it became wrong. Even if it went on from ages 5 to 8 (3 years for those of you lazy counters) I still can't realistically imagine someone that young understanding even the concept of assault and battery and permanent harm. A bit after, maybe between 9 years and whenever the start of sexual maturation is, would be when I start drawing the line. You cannot crucify a five year old for exploring themselves and others.
I wasn't trying to weigh in an opinion on Lena, I was adding information to a discussion.
And you totally just reiterated the same thing I said. Kids find out they have body parts that do thing. Of course they're going to be curious if their function. kids may not touch themselves at 1 but they surely do at 7. I don't know a lot about little kids touching other kids, but I know it's not unheard of.
And fine. But if the debate was whether or not what she did was curiosity--I don't know. I can't say it is or isn't. Because that's where I'm not so educated.
Do you have actual proof, or are you going to continue making it up?
This argument or whatever it is, is pointless and you're clearly in the wrong. Just look at the responses to our comments
I'm gonna go now. Have a good day