I was just about to say this. Infrastructure in general.

I think some people are uncomfortable with how close they are and represent themselves with animals.

Pick neither side. Think for yourself, rally for the people not the politicians.

True, the only reason I actually responded was because of his playing dumb comment. I only comment this much when I'm in a debate/conversation/argument.

by Bad Religion

I'm not playing dumb, if you looked back I talked about how their country is shitty and corrupt. But their problem is more at a personal level rather than the country as a whole is the point that you didn't get. I'm not saying that new problems don't also get created, I'm just denying the rhetoric that they are all useless, uneducated, people who are the problem with this country. Yes I completely agree, can't debate someone who is playing dumb, just like what you do when you don't acknowledge new facts represented, play dumb.

You are hands down one of the worst debaters I have witnessed/engaged with. Not only did you use rhetoric, and arguments with no factual backing, but you've consistently completely ignored multiple points I've made that dispel important points in our conversation. If you can't argue in a mature and sophisticated way then I must say I have to stop. Believe that you "won" or I'm dumb or whatever you want, but know that what I said above is the real reason I cannot continue.

Their problem isn't their country, it's their current living conditions. So running from their problem literally did solve it, because the conditions were shitty there.

to start a revolution. You still also never responded to how you stated that we don't need them when I provided articles that state otherwise.

That's kind of a weak argument to stand on. You can't just repeat what I said, say an inspirational quote and hope that debunked my argument. You provided no details of how they would even realistically do this. Most know that if they also try to do anything about it they will get killed along with the rest of their family. So you tell me which sounds more appealing, leaving and trying to get a better life or going back and facing almost certain death from the country you are trying to help. It takes a certain kind of person to start a movement, and you have to realize that not everyone is cut out for that,and most of these people aren't. If you send someone back who is not cut out for it then it's just another dead person who wasted their new found knowledge and skills. Plus the majority of them aren't in positions of power as their jobs. Most go into labor or agriculture or some other "workforce" type job. These people are just trying to live better, they're not cutout...

Most of them want a better life, not to help the shitty country where they come from. I don't see how one successful person could substantially make an impact on the government/country that they come from by simply going back to it, you need a whole movement to change the corruptness sewn throughout the country. These people are just trying to have better lives. And what do you think about us not needing them as you said?

We kind of do need them. Everybody's acting like white people are gonna pick their own strawberries. They are huge part of our agricultural success. I'm not saying they're all good, but to paint them with such a broad stroke of "they're all uneducated, they're all criminals, they're the reason my life sucks" is just idiotic rhetoric. Why would you want him to use the knowledge he gained here to not help the country? Unless that's not what you meant by that question. Here's also why we might "need" them. Both from buisness sources. http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-deporting-undocumented-immigrants-study-2016-5 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-18/here-s-what-the-u-s-economy-would-look-like-if-trump-deported-undocumented-immigrants

I could literally make you a whole list of educated illegal immigrants, but I don't care enough to spend that time on you. It's idiotic to think that they're all half educated and unintelligent. Like jumping over an imaginary border people put there somehow makes you less intelligent or less of a person.

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/illegal-immigrant-becomes-world-renowned-brain-surgeon/7053833 But he's just a half educated border hopper isn't he?

Marshall

I never said it was. I was taking about in general. Also because OP titled it "vandalism"

That's also why whales still have hip bones even though they don't need them. They're vestigial structures left over from evolution.