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scatmandingo · 5 years ago
Oh good. More rhetoric about how the right wing are the only ones ever censored by anyone.
deleted · 5 years ago
We can talk about that later.
Right now, a charity lost out on thousands.
xvarnah · 5 years ago
I don't know enough about any of it (I try to avoid most news places unless I have the time to research wtf they're talking about since it seems none of them do anymore), never watched killstream, but "ivanvackinof" on reddit tried to summarize the events as they occured. Not sure if it's 100% accurate or not, though it does more or less line up with what you say spider woman:
xvarnah · 5 years ago
"I mean you're close, but you're leaving out key points.
TRR(The Ralph Retort) has streams every night, at 10EST. It started out small, around 1000 viewers, but has since rose up to 10k viewers a night and they stream 5-6 times a week 3+hours. They have been struck down before for petty internet drama before, but for the most part have been allowed to operate their show. They recently have become much more popular and have had big name internet people on the show.
The Healstream was the stream that they held for charity. It was an 8 hour marathon stream, with all types of people showing up, usually it just devolves into stupidity, but in an entertaining way. In 8 hours they raised 26k+ in donations of which 100% was to go to the charity.
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xvarnah · 5 years ago
The other night TRR sets up the notification for the stream, so people can start shitposting in chat and wait for it to happen. They got a couple of superchats, which is youtubes tip function, but as soon as the show started this option was taken away. The WSJ journalist was specifically writing about the use of superchats being used to to support right leaning creators and making derogatory comments while doing so. The writer of the article reached out to TRR for comment and he made a tweet about it, kind of just laughing at the idea. Within an hour of his tweet showing the email he got from WSJ, the journalist shut down her social media so they were not able to go through her history.
Twenty minutes into the stream last night they started talking about how the journalists family was taken to court for selling fake medications or whatever. The stream immediately gets shut down, for a "hate speech" community guidelines strike, which was complete bullshit. (Cont)
xvarnah · 5 years ago
They start streaming on the co-hosts channel under his shows name "The post-mortem." 13 minutes into that stream it gets shut down with the quickness for just a general community guidelines strike.
Fast foward to today, the money for the charity is being refunded. Meanwhile EVERY SINGLE CHANNEL associated with TRR has been purged. There is no trace of them left, backup channels-gone, Main channel-gone, co-host channels-gone. Now the internet is in an uproar and demanding answers that they are not going to get."
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9tos02/what_is_up_with_people_being_angry_at_the_wall/
deleted · 5 years ago
That's it.
It's not even the mass channel delete that I thought was stupid(honestly, it was bad), it was the fact that just because they said things people disagree with, a CHILD'S CQNCER FOUNDATION lost donations.
sm19 · 5 years ago
Question - was this in partnership with Saint Jude? Like, was St. Jude aware of this stream and it was sanctioned or was it just something the channel wanted to do?
xvarnah · 5 years ago
I don't know for sure, but most of the time any charity stream at this level would need to get in contact with the charity in question first. Any charity stream I've seen has always had at least a little back and forth ahead of time between the streamer and the charity to make sure everyone's on board, and potentially to get the right account running for donations to be sent to. I'd think St. Jude's would have been aware it was happening
scatmandingo · 5 years ago
“How do you get a Jewish girl’s number? Roll up her sleeve!” Hahaha. Now how could they think TRR was violating hate speech standards when this comment that was cited as an example is obviously just a light hearted jest? Liberals, amirite?
popsy · 5 years ago
I lost a niece to leukemia back in 1986. She was just under 3 years old. St.Jude's Children's hospital took care of everything after my sack of shit brother in law bailed out of the situation. I don't blame him for the marriage not working out , but what kind of coward leaves his sick little girl ? I heard he was on facebook a few years ago bragging about taking care of a little girl with cancer so he could meet women. St.Jude's is one of the few charities that I know for sure put money to good use.
xvarnah · 5 years ago
If it helps, it looks like the reporter that decided kids with cancer is the hill she wants to die on is facing a good deal of backlash: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrBkIxKUUAAfEw5?format=jpg
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Some people are also finding ways to donate the money IN SPITE of YouTube and TWSJ to St. Jude's. Not that that takes care of the heart of the issue, but they're not being left completely high and dry.
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As a side note: I glanced through, but can't find anything about the stream on St. Jude's twitter, and they seem pretty good about thanking and promoting for events/donations. I'm not sure if twitter deleted the tweets, they deleted them to avoid controversy, or there were just no tweets made in the first place. I don't spend much time in the twitter world, so it could be any of those options.
guest_ · 5 years ago
The details are quite truncated and important here. YouTube didn’t request or force any returns. St. Jude did because they found out where the money came from and didn’t want it from that source. They are a charity that have helped many, but NPO’s are still companies. They are a public entity and 1. May well not want to even tacitly endorse or be responsible for the positive publicity that could come from such a donation for a political entity- and 2. Are at their core about the money. To help someone tomorrow you need to be around tomorrow. This is why most NPO’s spend a substantial portion of profits on salaries and publicity. They are no different and do not want $26k if it could cost them millions in bad pr or lost donations. The YouTuber in question has far right wing views, but was “censored” because he allowed paid comments to air that were BLATANTLY hate speech, and then did the same thing on his guest channels. Even as hack as most news outlets are they tend to...
guest_ · 5 years ago
.... at least try to vet user submissions before going glove with them. He allowed someone to make a Holocaust joke for $3~. 1. I can’t dice sith someone who thinks that “abort all Hebrew babies” is an acceptable comment to allow to air, and will take a couple dollars to do it, 2. Can’t even stick to the most basic protocols of live media, and 3. There is a reason those types of people are drawn to him. That tells you something. No matter how much code someone uses or how careful they are not to cross the hard boundary when spewing their bile- it is what it is. You can have opinions and you can feel however- but hate speech leads to violence and other problems beyond just being fowl.
deleted · 5 years ago
Alright.
I could see both sides.
guest_ · 5 years ago
And here’s a story I’ve told before. I knew a 90+yo Latvian woman who was a refugee in WW2. She was fleeing soviet Russia across war torn Europe and it was a nightmare. She made it to Germany and hints were safe, clean. There was food and jobs and she had a life. To the day she died she loved Adolf Hitler and thought he got a bad rap. He was her personal savior. He was for many people. Before the war Germany was falling apart and things looked bad. In comes this guy and transforms a nation in a blink. People have food and jobs and are doing alright. Charity. So the question of “is that good that money can do worth your ideology?” Is tricky. If you have a kid dying of cancer you’d probably suck Satan off ATM style for any help, just like millions of Germans were willing to watch Europe burn and turn their head to genocide when they were in a tight place. Not saying what’s right or wrong, just saying there’s a price and St. Jude didn’t want to trade it for $26k.
deleted · 5 years ago
Of course.
I'm sure if the same stream advocated for the murder of cops, they'd drop them too
guest_ · 5 years ago
Can’t say they wpuld or wouldn’t, but in general I’d hope they would. I am pretty certain st Jude would refund donations from an entity known to be vocally and publicly pro cop killer or that endorses or displays messages that are.
xvarnah · 5 years ago
Tbh, I've made comments about Hitler and Germany in the past, not agreeing with his actions, but saying it's hardly difficult to understand how it came to pass given the condition of Germany at the time. People usually freak out or go "right. Totally." And then secretly make a vow to never speak to me again.'
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That aside, none of the info I found (admittedly I didn't have time to look into it very hard prior to this) mentioned that St. Jude had been involved in the refund until I found this article (from 8 hrs ago): https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/11/03/youtuber-blames-wsj-canceled-donations
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Which mostly claims that a "spokesperson from St Jude told WSJ they refunded the money." WSJ isn't exactly reliable, but then again, St Jude had nothing about the event on their website, so either scenario seems likely. Either way there was a huge shut down of these channels it looks like? Idk enough about them but it seems a bit unprecedented and the timing a little shady
bethorien · 5 years ago
The winning side from the first world war were just as responsible for the shit that happened in world war 2 as hitler was as their spiteful destabilization of Germany is 100% the main reason he came to power.
youtube is just covering their ass. Twitter is just covering their ass. They know everyone is gonna forget about this in a week. They aren't gonna have any negative consequences for this so they have no reason not to make these people not exist on their platform anymore.