What is wrong with me

I see what you did there.

True equality isn't achieved until heterosexual is no longer the "default" and people aren't automatically assumed to be straight. And, in my case personally, I prefer to tell people right away so I don't lose friends later. I've met a few people and gotten close to them only to have them be homophobic/transphobic assholes, later.

If it matter, I don't categorize people as straight, gay, whatever due to lack of info. I don't even think of it as an equality thing, though. It's just that I was taught from a young age that to assume makes an ass out of you and me.

I agree with everything being said here. And stag, for what it's worth if we were friends for a while and then I found out you were gay, it would make no difference to me at all.

Thank you.

Honestly it's like "hey, you're a good friend and I've known you for a long time and we get along really well. Oh you're gay? Well I guess we aren't alike at all anymore." It makes no sense

Just a hypothetical, but what if your friend was only friends with you because he thought you had a sweet ass?

Then he would be delusional

But what if he was right about you having a sweet ass? Would that be a friendship dealbreaker, or would you still try to make things work?

Well, if it was ONLY because of that I think I would probably have to break the friendship, but if he was actually my friend I wouldn't care

Well, yeah, it might have started thanks to his purely carnal desires, but after awhile, he saw what a good person you are on the inside. Your warm, pink inside...
Ahem, anywho, let's say it's an honest-to-goodness friendship.
Bonus question, what if you and your bestie were marathoning Supernatural one night, and you both had a few drinks in you. While Sam and Dean are whining about how love each other and would sacrifice everything so the other could have a "normal" life blah blah blah, your friend asks you if you'd like a massage to get through the tedium. Would you possibly accept? Or would his playfully, ever-so-slowly lowering hands make things too uncomfortable?

I think I would have to actually have this happen to have an opinion

Well, you see, it's not that they didn't think we had anything in common anymore, it was more "Oh my God! You're disgusting! Why did you lie to me, faggot? You're going to Hell!"

Excuse me but not all religious people would have that reaction. Just sayin'.

I didn't say all religious people do. I'm Christian myself. If you look above, I was saying that I've had people who were my friends and said this upon finding out I'm gay. I never even mentioned religious people.

Sorry but the comment made me assume that you were talking about religious people. May I ask how you are relgious and gay at the same time? Only way I can think is you're becoming religious and leaving homosexuality behind... Don't get mad as I am genuinely wondering and not trying to be sarcastic. Am I reading it wrong?

I am a gay Christian and see no conflict between these. I cannot leave homosexuality behind as it is part of me. A biological part of me. It's like leaving my arm behind.

As a science-y, Christian hetero dude, I can say that there's nothing wrong with Song's situation. Honestly, I worry about people who think that these things are mutually exclusive.

Biologally maybe as I have never studied what other's call the "homo gene" but I have heard that homosexuality is really just one's acctraction to the same sex's pheromones more than to the opposite's. I'll study later but at the moment must be real with you. I will not sugarcoat it but I sincerely hope that you leave homosexuality behind. You've probably heard the following paragraph many times but keep in mind I only wish for you to know the truth. I love all people no matter what they are and Jesus taught us that we need to do such. It's taught that you accept gays but you don't allow them into your life circle. Hopefully no one in your church (if you attend) will disgrace you and ask you to leave (which is expected of them by god) and that you will eventually grow in your walk. Keep in mind that I'm NOT trying to scold you or anything like other christians, I only want to see others love you and to see you go to heaven.

Note: I wrote this while not knowing mgoveia's post was their and it was directed to song.

Wow. I saw your other comment, but I see now that what you said was not a mistake, and you are beyond fucked. I hope you continue to learn about the science behind homosexuality, and also learn to accept human beings despite their "flaws", because everybody has them.
A bit of advice, cut the life circle bullshit. You sound like a lost sunday school kid.

I will learn the science behind homosexuality. In my past comment I did a terrible job of explaining what I meant. I do accept humans despite their flaws. Let me read again what I thought I learned and come back when I'm ready. But if you don't like what I said in my previous post because you think homosexuality and christianity can coincide then your dead wrong and you are the one that needs to reread what you have learned. Homosexuality must not be accepted in the church. If it is, it will bring everyone down. A letter sent to by one of the apostles (I always forget his name) tells a church in summary "You need to kick the boy out, bad yeast makes bad bread. remove the bad yeast and let the rest rise into good bread. Now, let god cleanse this boy and when he is cleansed let him return to the church." I'm trying my best not to sound like a "lost sunday school kid" but if thats the way you are taking it that way then maybe you need to rethink your relationship with God. You may be a

bit lax with your standards of being a christian.

Wow. You must be retarded.
It's too late for me to be making jokes about you, but God damn, there are many to be made. I look forward to tomorrow's Funsubstancing.
No, but seriously, you make me sick not only as a Christian, but as a fucking human being. It's people like you that are holding us back as a species, and I hope God takes you home a bit sooner than He planned.

Oh no man. You're not leaving yet. You're still going to answer my other reply on the other post that you were trying to make me seem wrong on. I'm hyped and ready to take another agent of satan down.

As a fellow Christian. I agree with mgoveia. You are retarded (and I don't use that word a lot) one of my friends is incredibly religious and has been in a relationship with another super nice guy for the past three years. So yes homosexuality and Christianity CAN coincide. Thanks.

Also emptyvoid if a heterosexual atheist can go to heaven as has been recently declared by the pope, why too would a homosexual who attends church and loves God not be accepted into heaven. You need to stray away from the black and white a little bit and use the free will that The Lord has given all of us.

"Agent of satan"? Chill out man.

Homosexuality and Christianity cannot coincide. You cannot be Christian and gay at the same time. You are trying to bend the rules of christianity to the way you want it. That's not how it works. Just for fun I want to hear your where you think God/Jesus says its okay for you to be an active homosexual and christian at the same time.

I also apologies for the agent of satan comment. adrenaline pumping, playing attack on titan and arguing with mgoveia all clouded that comment into a melting pot.

If it wasn't ok in God's eyes, why would He make gay people? It's not like we are discovering something new here. It is incredibly obvious that a gay person can be born into any family. It's not a choice and anyone who thinks differently is utterly insane. I can't believe that you are being so ridiculous about this.

Reading your comment I know see where your view comes from. Let my adrenaline calm down for 5 minutes and then we'll discuss this.

I don't really want to discuss. I just thought Christians were supposed to be open minded, forgiving people and your comments have made me sad. Have you read any of the rules in Leviticus? They're a tad ludicrous.

These are all illegal according to Leviticus. Planting different seeds in the same field. Trimming your beard. Cutting your hair at the sides. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it. Mixing fabrics in clothing. And finally: having sex with a man "as one does with a woman".

Yes. You're coming from the leviticus stand point. That is old testament which applied only to Jews. Here are new testament verses that apply to both jews and christians.
In the Epistle to the Romans 1:26-27 (English Majority Text Version, EMTV), Paul writes
“ For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10[edit]
Wycliffe Bible (1382): "Whether ye know not, that wicked men shall not wield the kingdom of God? Do not ye err; neither lechers, neither men that serve maumets [neither men serving to idols], neither adulterers, neither lechers against kind, neither they that do lechery with men"
King James Version (1611): "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
Amplified Version (1987): "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality"

1 Timothy 1:9-10
Wycliffe Bible (1382): "..and witting this thing, that the law is not set to a just man, but to unjust men and not subject, to wicked men and to sinners, to cursed men and defouled, to slayers of father, and slayers of mother, to manslayers [witting this thing, that the law is not put to a just man, but to an unjust and not subject, to unpious men and sinners, to cursed men and defouled, to slayers of fathers, and slayers of mothers, to menslayers] and lechers, to them that do lechery with men, lying-mongers and forsworn, and if any other thing is contrary to the wholesome teaching."

Still 1 Timothy.
King James Version (1611): "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine"
Amplified Version (1987): Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers,[For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers--and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine

At least 3 different mentionings of homosexuality as an abomination and also who the law abides to in the new testament.

I'm not coming from a standpoint other than the fact that people are allowed to be gay and they are allowed to be Christian. Please just try to be more open minded. Anything else written on this thread, I will not read.

I didn't read any of those. Sorry.

Well I don't know if you read any of my first comments or if you only read mgoveia's and assumed I was an asshole. I am open-minded to/about others, e.g. here is a little thread a couple of hours ago that your buddy tried to make me look like an ass on. http://funsubstance.com/fun/121743/regular-and-gay/?last_comment=513054#comment513054

You know what. I'm finally tired and wish to go to bed. I think i'll end this argument so that when you wake up hopefully you wont be such closed-minded assholes that you claim I am. I originally was being open-minded about homosexuality. I tink mgoveia didn't like the fact that I don't have a boyfriend and decided to start a fight. I'm sorry that I made you butthurt over the fact that I tried to follow what my god tells me to and I sincerely hope that you either become a christian who does what he is taught and not what he wants christianity to be because honestly I think you acknowledge the presence of god and you are afraid of him, and you're afraid of hell so you are doing what you think you need to (e.g. being nice) to get into heaven so you don't go to hell. It doesn't work like that. You do what you're told, be human, follow Jesus, and then reap the rewards. You may get a 100 on a test after cheating but looking at your past grades the teacher will find out you cheated.

And to Mr. jdawhl91 thank you for at least listening to what I to say at first, but the fact that you blantaly said that I was wrong about what I was talking about and then completely disregarded the evidence I showed you that our God gave us tells me that you are, in fact, just another person who thinks that their word is law and should not be challenged. If you think I'm the person who is like that then please, show me evidence to support your side because you clearly have just shown opinion and not fact. If you decide to show me then I will listen to what you have to say from now on. Good night sir and good luck in your walk.

I didn't read that, either.
It amazes me that anyone today lives their life, and worse, tells others how to live, based on a book written by MEN (not God) thousands of years ago.
I like to think we're a bit more sophisticated today, but I'm constantly assaulted by contradictory evidence, like this guy.
Oh, and stop playing the martyr. You know damn well what this debate is over, and it's not some silly bullshit like you not having a bf. We're talking about human rights and equality here, as well as your views about accepting, but not letting gays into your life for whatever antiquated, superstitious reasons, on the other topic.
Lastly, as a Christian, it royally pisses me off when other Christians try to influence the law in a country where not everyone is a Christian. Why should everyone else have to live according to the most misguided rules of our religion?

I see that you clearly did not follow a single paragraph of what I said. I also see that you are not here to debate religion, but to be someone who looks like the victim of a misguided religion. Since your so high that you don't have to read and understand what I say let me put it in hyphen form.
-I love gays because I was born to love everyone, it takes a lot to make me mad.
-The whole circle of life "crap". I was refering to your daily life. I showed you scripture in the very same bible that you read which by the way was written by people with personal accounts as to what happened in different stories of the bible. All those historical accounts were then studied and put together by men under the eye of the same God that you so apparently worship. Why would god allow his followers to read material that wouldn't exult him? If we were worshiping an idol then he would have killed us.
-I'm not playing a martyr, I'm playing myself who is trying to tell you that your ideas about the

christian religion are yours, not Jesus'.
-In the other post that you argued with me on, I said I agree with gay marriage because that's their choice and they shouldn't be withheld their rights, this is america and we are known for freedom. we should give that freedom to gays.
-I don't know why I'm even listening to you. Your not christian, you are a fan of christiany. Read the book "not a fan". And when you really want to become a christian, read the bible. It's here for a reason.
-I tried being nice but you make it very hard by not even looking at the evidence I show you and then calling me a failed christian. Look in a mirror kiddo.

And I don't think you know what martyr means.

I can see I'm talking to a wall here. It's no fun tearing down your arguments if you're this damn dense.
Why don't you just do us both a favor and mosey on over to Fox News and have your pathetic worldview reinforced?

Ha! Look who's talking. And its no fun tearing down your opinion. I have given evidence to support my side. You sir, are the dense wall. Good day.

Wow. I let another similar "I'm rubber, you're glue" comment go in that other post, only to find another here. Amazing.
Can you even exercise the free will that God bestowed you with, or have your fellow churchgoers beaten that out of you?

Free will? Have not been listening at all? You haven't. Each individual post you have come to me after a long argument and have asked me a question that the paragraph clearly states the answer too. Yes I do excercise free will. In fact, I've been going to church less because of all the bullshit and hipocracy that fills it.