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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
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THIS.....is the exact reason the medical industry and health care can never be run by a government AND produce world class medical advancement/care. Industry needs competition and drive!
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jillaroo
· 9 years ago
Ugh, how does the freaking medical industry in America have competition and drive? Competition drives prices DOWN. Regardless, medical and health care treatment should be a human right, not a right for people who have more in their back pocket.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
Medical care should be a human right? I assume food and shelter should be also? That sounds like a very compassionate thing to say. The problem lies within the logistics of making it happen. In a perfect world a socialistic society would work. The problem is that there is, and always will be, bad people. Attempting to apply a system that will only work with a 100% perfect population on to a population with a lot of bad people is destined to fail. So if failure will be the outcome, was it truly a compassionate decision with the best interests of the greater # of people in mind?
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jillaroo
· 9 years ago
If you want me to phrase it a different way then here: medical care should be an affordable human right. And look, I really don't understand why all these people are saying 'it's doomed to fail, failure will be the outcome'. There are bad people in every. single. country. Now, there are a lot of health care systems that apply nation-wide tax that then funds the medical system. In Australia, it has been found that our medical system is unsustainable, but does that mean they tell the health sector to go nuts and charge whatever the hell they like, running thousands of people into thousands of debt? No. We now pay an extra $7 a visit to the doctor, with a cap of $70/year. There are 'bad people' in Australia, but hey, at least they're healthy because the system works, just like it'd work in America.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
Let me ask you this: should affordable healthcare have been a human right 100 years ago also? 200.....or 300 years ago?
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
What if I smoke a pack of cigarettes per day, drink to the point of being drunk every day and eat nothing but fast food burgers for every meal. And what if the only exercise I get is walking to the frige and back. What if these bad practices (of which i am 100% in control of) cause liver, heart and lung failure and consequently $1,000,000 in health care expenses over a 5 year period. Do I, as a human being, have a right to spread that expense on to all of my neighbors who live healthy lives?
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
Dont misunderstand me. I think it would be great if everyone could get excellent healthcare at a minimal cost. The fact is that someone has to pay for it! And if the people making bad life decisions dont have any skin in the game there is zero reason for them to change thede lifestyle.
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jillaroo
· 9 years ago
Okay there are two issues I would like to bring up. In other countries, there is absolutely no flipping way you're going to wrack a up a bill of $1,000,000 over 5 years, because the treatment and medicines are just not that expensive. This is because the health care industry is not treated like a free market (same problem is seen with America's college system). Secondly, every citizen pays a levy each year, which is what pays for a heck of a lot of infrastructure and treatment. Then, if you find yourself going to the doctor or buying medication over the counter, you do have to pay some, but most will be subsidised, which means that you're paying the bulk but it's just not that expensive. That's why it works! Sure there are people who are overweight or people with sport injuries that could have prevented the cost, but most of the time it's people who just can't help being sick, and who need the extra help.
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guest
· 9 years ago
Jillaroo is always preaching some sort of social justice billshit. Best to ignore.
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jillaroo
· 9 years ago
Hey, I make jokes every now and then too ;) But anyway, I'm not sure why 'preaching social justice' is a bad thing...
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b3thy
· 9 years ago
All I know is that my copay went from $20 to $40 and I now have a deductible of $1250 per person in my family with 2 small children so clearly with 2 small children I have money to be paying for everyone else too...applying a tax to everyone only taxes the people who work and are already carrying financial burdens...
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
Absolutely correct. Having compassion toward our fellow human beings and having a desire to help them is one thing. Being realistic about what motivates people into contributing to society (if they are capable) is completely different. As a country, we need to put ourselves in a position to be able to help people. That means being responsible with the tax money we have, correcting our deficit, and keeping the government to a minimum (in size and expense). We will never achieve that goal by giving handouts to everyone who asks and making the contributers flip the bill. Eventually we will end up with everyone riding the tax wagon and nobody left to pull it.
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guest
· 9 years ago
Lol. We don't have to worry about any of that here in Australia. Our Medicare isn't perfect but people are more than happy to help each other by giving tax.
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princessmonstertru
· 9 years ago
I have no idea what the australian government is like. But if your opinion is shared with the majority of the population there, I unconditionally promise you that the rate of spending, waist, power abuse and corruption are not as rampid as the united states. The likely reason is that the opportunity to follow your dreams isnt as high as the us. If it were, people would be headed your way by the ship load. Or im wrong and they will be headed there soon?
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guest
· 9 years ago
The Pizza man doesn't have to deal with your bullshit,the Police and Fire department, do
