Bill nye

I don't know any 4 year olds with the gramatical inteligence to understand what evolution even is. Hell, people in highschool don't even understand evolution.

She's smarter than than regular 4 yr olds. You know, some children are smarter than others. Not all children are dumb as rocks. And religions are like p#nises; you don't go craming it down other peoples throats.

I sure as hell knew about evolution when I was 4. It's all about how you've been brought up, and my parents (both engineers) thought learning about science was important.

how is cramming evolution down a 4 year olds throat any better than cramming creation down it's throat. this argument makes zero sense

Noone crammed anything down my throat. I was taught about God and the creation-theory as well ( i have Christian parents), but evolution is a fact, and not learning about it robbing the child of common knowledge and history.

I absolutely agree that learning about evolution is an important part of education. but you won't find in a single textbook, thesis, or website that evolution is a fact. if you know so much about it I'd think you'd know that...

That's because it's considered a theory. But it's a theory that has so much information and fact and research backing it up, it's incomprehensible that one couldn't see the truth in it.
Where's the research or proof that creationism is a fact? Besides those who's opinion is that we are to take the bible literally, there is none. Both are theories. But one is based on facts, research, and real science.
I'm a Christian, btw. You can believe in God and evolution.

didn't say you couldn't be a Christian and believe in evolution. plenty do. all I'm saying is that both are equally plausible and saying that it's impossible that one happened rather than the other is ignorant.

no, they are not equally plausible. Like i said, besides the opinion of some to take the bible literally, there is no research, no science, no theoretical proof that it's true. Creationism is an opinion. Evolution is a theory that is backed by real research and real data. Its ignorant to think that they are even on the same level in terms of probability.

Sorry, i understand that evolution isnt considered a fact yet, so it was wrong of me to call it that.

I did not say probability I said plausibility. those words are not synonyms. since neither of them can be proved it's ridiculous to say that one is impossible. I believe that the world was created by my amazing God. But I wasn't there so I don't know for sure. Neither do you.

all good norwegiangirl :)

Besides, all opinions and facts aside, creationism is based on a few religions. Religion has no place in school unless ALL religions and spiritual concepts are included. If parents want their child to understand and believe in creationism, they can teach them or have them learn in sunday school. Evolution is a science based explanation of the world and all children should be taught it. Then they can decide for themselves what they believe. The point Bill Nye was trying to make here, was to parents trying to ban evolution being taught in public schools. We as a society, can not afford to only teach part of what's out there, because some feel like it undermines their religious beliefs.

the first part of your last sentence was exactly the point I am trying to make. Yes, we as a society cannot afford to only teach part of what's out there. only teaching evolution is doing that.

you're right, i wasn't there. And i do still believe that the world, the universe, the very air we all breath, was created by God. But i also know that God didn't use magic. He used science. He used the big bang. He used the core of stars to create different elements. He used gravitational pull and random clumps of matter to combine and make planets. He then set out to make sure that life was sparked in the "primordial ooze" of earth and it then grew and changed over billions of years resulting in us. God is a scientist.
The plausibility of the world being created in 6 days, rather then the big bang and evolution over billions of years are not the same. Everyone is free to believe as they wish. But do not think for a second that both theories have the same plausibility or credibility.

Because there is nothing to teach when it comes to creationism. There are no facts, no research, no data. It's an opinion based on nothing. Leaving it out, leaves nothing out. because there is nothing in it.

And if you demand it be taught, then you have to demand that other religious and spiritual creation stories be taught as well. Either include everything, or only include facts, and real science.

God did use magic... like all the time. there are hundreds of stories of when God used magic

IF you take the bible literally. But the bible was written by man, and has been translated over and over and has had many things taken out. Even in the last 10 years, things have been taken out of the bible. The bible we have today is not the same as when it was written, or even 300 years ago. A text that has been changed and altered is not an accurate document.

@Jiffy3, In this quote, Bill Nye is simply arguing that children need to understand evolution. No where does he say that people have to choose between evolution and religion. In the video, he may be an anti-creationist, but he's not being anti-religious. (Also, I believe Bill Nye identifies as agnostic, as does most of the scientific community.) It's a two minute video, and you can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU

I never said that. All i'm saying is he makes it sound as if people who believe in god don't contribute to society. "we need scientifically literate voters, and taxpayers for the future, we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems" that sounds more like an implication, then a piece of advice.

No, not people who don't believe in god, but people who are wilfully ignorant of the science underpinning the technology which civilization depends on.