This might work because there's constantly more force on one side.
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Actually, there will always be some "energy loss" somewhere (especially because of the friction between moving elements, which does not cause energy to disappear, but to be converted to heat). Because of this energy conversion, the movement will become slower and slower, even though it may take a while, and it will finally stop moving. Perpetual motion is physically impossible if you're not in a void.
Force is not limited; there's unlimited force in the universe because of constant acceleration (gravity) and mass. If we use the friction argument, you have to say friction force, not energy lost due to friction. Anyways, if the torque force with gravity is consistently greater than the friction force (which isn't really all that hard to do; use lubricants), it'll theoretically have perpetual motion. OFC, you can count air resistance, but that's so incredibly negligible in this circumstance.
Energy loss only counts of there's no net force on the system; if the rods didn't move, then yes, it would slow down over time even in a vacuum because of the friction between the axle and the wheel.
Still impossible, with lubrication friction still exists. There is unlimited force in then universe sure, but the idea of perpetual motion is impossible by definition. If mankind could build a machine capable of such a thing then it would take a literal eternity to prove, and would have to be given a new title since perpetual motion can only exist in theory. Even in nature it's considered "apparent" but not truly perpetual. Too many factors and quite literally not enough time to prove it.
I'm going to repeat what I said earlier. If torque is greater than friction, it will spin eternally. What's so hard about it? Draw a Free Body Diagram of the circle and at any given point in time, the force due to torque is always greater than friction. Unless you go into microgravity, this is on paper, a perpetual motion machine.
THAT'S THE THING! THERE ARE FORCES ACTING ON IT. CONSTANTLY. BECAUSE OF GRAVITY.
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Nobody cares about initial energy, it'll (acc/de)celerate into equilibrium based on rotational friction and grav torque.
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tylerchu//
just do a quick search on google, and you'll find out that perpetual motion machines have NOT been invented yet.
If they were to be invented in the future, it'd bring a complete change to how we produce and process energy. It hasn't happened as of yet, though.
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I'm afraid not, because of something called the energy. Because of friction, the total energy of the system "this device" will slowly decrease. Gravity does not provide additional energy, it just helps convert potential energy into kinetic energy, and kinetic energy is converted back into potential energy in every part of the device that goes up.So, in a void, a perfect balance would be reached, but in the real world, some energy will be dissipated (friction, mainly). Once and for all : perpetual movement could only exist in a void. Thank you for your attention.
Potential energy gained during falling is gained when coming back up, right? No energy lost there theoretically. Bring friction. Energy is thus lost through the creation of heat. Am I correct thus far?
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Why can't gravity add more energy? Wouldn't it be the same if I stood next to the wheel and tapped it with exactly the same force on every single rod every single time?
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I understand conservation of energy, but something about your argument doesn't fit right with me.
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tylerchu//
look. it. up. on. google. jesus christ.
If perpetual motion machines were really able to be created this easily, then our whole world would look different. We wouldn't need to pay as much for electricity or gasoline. Dams and windmills would become obsolete. People have been trying for centuries to create a perpetual motion machine and they have all failed. Unless you've taken a full college course on physics you should probably stop arguing and go to google for help.
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Gravity does not add any energy to anything. It just converts potential into kinetic. Physics work this way, I don't have to justify science : it's not a point of view, it's science.
Nothing can go forever, and this machine would slow down because of friction and gravity, along with some other forces. These forces are acting upon the machine, and so the machine cannot be a perpetual energy machine. If you want, you can try to build one for your self. Lubricants don't get rid of friction, they just reduce it. How old are you?
This machine is no perpetual motion machine since a little more energy is lost through friction than is won back by the design. It's highly effective though, meaning that the energy loss ist very low. But let it run long enough and it will stop moving.
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Nobody cares about initial energy, it'll (acc/de)celerate into equilibrium based on rotational friction and grav torque.
just do a quick search on google, and you'll find out that perpetual motion machines have NOT been invented yet.
If they were to be invented in the future, it'd bring a complete change to how we produce and process energy. It hasn't happened as of yet, though.
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Why can't gravity add more energy? Wouldn't it be the same if I stood next to the wheel and tapped it with exactly the same force on every single rod every single time?
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I understand conservation of energy, but something about your argument doesn't fit right with me.
look. it. up. on. google. jesus christ.
If perpetual motion machines were really able to be created this easily, then our whole world would look different. We wouldn't need to pay as much for electricity or gasoline. Dams and windmills would become obsolete. People have been trying for centuries to create a perpetual motion machine and they have all failed. Unless you've taken a full college course on physics you should probably stop arguing and go to google for help.
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