If you live in America DO NOT call the police if you think a family member or friend is at risk of suicide. I've seen too many videos of the police coming and then the person comes out with the knife or blade they where using to cut themselves with and the police form like 10 meters away felt 'threatened' and shot the poor guy. Call anyone else. You guys need something to be fixed in your police system. The fact that they have a name for it (Suicide by cop) makes me feel sick
Suicide by cop is completely different. That's not the police departments or cops fault if it's suicide by cop. That's when somebody WANTS the cops to shoot them so the pull a gun or something on them and put themselves in a situation where the police will shoot them. The police are completely justified in killing the subject if they pull a gun on them. It's sad but you're mixing the two up.
Two quotes from the article:
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"The first tragic mistake in this case was made when the Weber County Consolidated Dispatch Center sent officers to the residence rather than some type of crisis response team trained to deal with suicidal individuals."
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"Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with the man for more than seven hours before taking his life."
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Like seriously american police system? Really?
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/call-suicide-prevention-hotline-killed-swat-team/#ahtS2yD5kIEZzFWV.99
Although there are many problems with the American "Justice" system, I think that the problem lies with the operator on the end of the suicide prevention line. From what I know, the people on the line are taught to try to calm down the victim; if forces were needed, I don't see why the operator called the cops and not suicide specialists. There are many errors in this situation. 1) The operator for calling the wrong response unit 2) The man for coming out armed and 3) The cop for either poor aim or poor choice of shot impact.
Yes, there are several issues with the American system (as there are with any system), but each team can only deal with an issue as they are trained. That is how cops are trained.
After reading some of the other articles, I noticed that it was all about cops; which makes sense because they aren't trained to deal with "crisis intervention". In the case of Christian Alberto Sierra, you'll see that he even provoked to cops. The spread of the blame isn't so simple.
I get that it could have been handled differently, but people, does it occur to nobody that they are carrying out what they are trained to do? apparently he provoked them or something. this is a guy who wants to kill himself, if a bunch of guys with guns walk in, wouldn't that seem like the perfect opportunity to do it? Not everybody who commits suicide isn't thinking clearly- it's possible he had a clear mind and knew what he was doing.
The idea is that they weren't trained to do that. If you read the article, it said the police department stuffed up by not sending a team trained to deal with suicidal people. They were just ordinary cops, and they did the wrong thing because they hadn't been trained in that area. And obviously people who are thinking of committing suicide aren't completely clear in the mind, but the blame still lay squarely on the police department
Really people? You're completely trashing these cops and you don't know what happened. Specifics of the case haven't been released. It could have been a dumb cop or someone could have been held a knifepoint and lives were in immediate danger. This article is completely one sided. That's what's wrong with this. It could have been handled differently but you don't know what happened because you weren't there and detailes havent been released.
Yes, but it was still the police department's fault that they sent a team that wasn't trained for suicidal people, and this is not the only time this sort of thing has happened - it has happened countless times before, with the same result
Here is another case then http://fox17online.com/2014/08/26/police-in-kansas-shoot-suicidal-teen-16-times/ The mother called and said 'This is my son, he is suicidal, his name is this he is wearing this he is this old, Don't shoot him' The father was standing near him and the police yelled at him to move or they would shoot the father. The kid was shot 16 times. If he had stood up or made the cops feel endangered in a way then yeah I get that maybe one or two shots might be okay but 16?
Detailes haven't been released. I never said that they're stupid or good cops. All I'm saying is that you don't know what happened. And thank you for pointing out what I already said. That It could have been handled differently.
Police are allowed to shoot until the threat is eliminated. A full SWAT team with automatic weapons firing at once may each have fired only two or three shots. (This is not a movie, single shots don't kill instantly.)
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"The first tragic mistake in this case was made when the Weber County Consolidated Dispatch Center sent officers to the residence rather than some type of crisis response team trained to deal with suicidal individuals."
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"Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with the man for more than seven hours before taking his life."
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Like seriously american police system? Really?
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/call-suicide-prevention-hotline-killed-swat-team/#ahtS2yD5kIEZzFWV.99
Yes, there are several issues with the American system (as there are with any system), but each team can only deal with an issue as they are trained. That is how cops are trained.
After reading some of the other articles, I noticed that it was all about cops; which makes sense because they aren't trained to deal with "crisis intervention". In the case of Christian Alberto Sierra, you'll see that he even provoked to cops. The spread of the blame isn't so simple.