I said it on an earlier post. Like 10 years ago my town built a home for the homeless. Most of them got back in their feet. The sad thing is that today most of the people there are KIDS whose parents threw them out for being gay or getting pregnant. But nana takes care of them better than the parents could...it still sucks.
Why, because we try to get them off the streets and into the shelters we built them? Yes, so evil. You know, the homeless you can see on the streets are usually drunks/drug addicts who, instead of going to a homeless shelter and seeking help, chose to live on the streets and get drunk/high. We build them homes, but we ask them to respect our rules - no drugs and no alcohol. Are we the bad ones? I think that a warm meal plus a bed to sleep in for giving up addictions is a very generous offer. Yet, some choose to refuse it, and since they're permanently in a not sober state, they may be a threat to other people.
Do you still think we're the bad ones?
"Do you still think we're the bad ones?" - This dedicated "we" vs. "they" attitude throughout your posting does not exactly impress me with deep humanity, so I tend to a "yes". I am pretty sure you have no idea what exactly you are talking about, you just don't want to have those lowlife losers spoiling your commute.
Okay, ESPECIALLY in the winters, there is not enough ROOM in the homeless shelters. They close after letting in so many people and refuse to let in any more. If anyone refuses to go to a shelter, maybe it's because they'd rather give someone else the opportunity, because there is not enough space. So yes, I do. I think that no kind human being would think the logical solution to a drug problem is spikes.
There is some truth to that, missraven, at least where you live, probably. I remember seeing a couple of news stories that said that the shelters are empty, though, and that the reason is what I listed before. I know that the news aren't 100% trustworthy, after all nothing is, but there is some truth to that, too.
FSuser: And do you have any idea what you're talking about, or you're just one of the SJWs that blame people's different opinions on their "lack of knowledge and empathy"? And no, I'm not one of those snobs who don't want other people "spoiling my commute". I'm just a realist, and I think that trying to help everyone isn't the best way, either. Help those who want to be helped fully, not everyone, even those who don't want your help, just partly. Those who don't want it will waste it, and for those who do it's usually not enough, because the sources are limited. That's my opinion, anyway.
They might not be full in the summers, but that's probably because the homeless shelters aren't exactly great. They're packed in there super tight, with a bunch of people who probably stink and who might try to steal what little they have, not to mention there are a bunch of homeless veterans who might find sleeping in doors, especially around people, especially where they can't put their back in a corner terrifying enough to prevent them from sleeping. Not wanting help for a drug/alcohol problem isn't the only reason to not want to go to a shelter, and since we can never know what someone is thinking, I don't want to ever see spikes around my home.
Those stories were in winter, and yet those places were empty, but yeah, you have a point. Though I think the percentage of the good people is very small compared to the addicts, there are indeed some unfortunate people who need help the most.
ewqua, don't want to help a human being in need cause s/he's "just" an addict or a nutcase or an immigrant (= most of the people living under bridges), that's entirely your business as a person far as I'm concerned. But chasing away human beings from public ground like they're bloody pigeons or rats, when they chose to be there, provided they even had a choice? Treating people like vermin, that's pretty low in humanity in my book, so...
And btw: this pic was taken in the Peoples Republic of China. Makes sense, with this attitude.
FSuser: I really hate to say that, but with such an overpopulated planet, it's impossible to treat each person individually. If we just kept surveying all the circumstances of a person's life to get some appropriate conditions for them, we'd literally have to do only that. The science wouldn't get any further, the medicine wouldn't get any further, nothing would progress. Instead, we research new things to be able to help to masses, like a cure for cancer. So, tell me, which one is more effective? To have the whole planet working on circumstances and conditions for each individual, or progress in culture, science, and medicine, and help the masses? I know I made my choice.
Yeah, you made your choice, alright. You chose to be an Übermensch, and bless yourself by ignorance, good for you. As a german, of course, I know about being superior to other equal beings.
I am not asking you, why you do not want to help people in need. I am asking why you feel the urge to chase them away like a pest.
FSer, I'm pretty sure she said the idea was to make them go to homeless shelters, not chase them away. Either way, there was a recent study (at least in the US), that the majority of homeless people are actually people with families who got laid off and fell on hard times, not people who started doing drugs.
FSuser: How about you think about my words for a while instead of calling me some fancy german word and an ignorant? If you at least wrote a different argument than insults, I'd be glad. Do you honestly think that helping each person individually and thus making the whole world stagnate is better than researching methods to help the world as a whole? With people like you running the world we'd still be in the Stone Age, and even though we'd have a nice happy attitude about everything, we wouldn't actually help anyone, because we wouldn't progress and we wouldn't find any new cures to heal people, any machines to aid with doing hard work, anything. If you really think that is the right choice than you are the ignorant one, not I.
Missraven: Wow, I'm sorry then, I didn't know. That's in the US, anyhow, not here in Europe, although the situation can't be much different. I'll think on that, but I still insist on the information I gathered from the news, the one about homeless shelters.
I call you an igorant because you are constantly ignoring what I say and instead keep on arguing against things I don't say. Look up the definition of ignorance, it's easy. I said two things: I criticise your divisive attitude in general, and your advocating of treating human beings like cumbersome bugs. Nothing about helping anybody, just respecting them as equal beings.
I should reconsider my wording: instead of calling you an Uebermensch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch), it should rather be Herrenmensch. No wiki here, sorry, but you will find out, what it means, if you care at all.
I'm sorry but that's literally the thing you were doing here all the time. Making up arguments about things I didn't say, for example the "rounding people like pest" thing. And now you accuse me of the same thing. PS: I looked the definitions up, and firstly, I never wrote anything about me being better than anyone, because I'm not and I know that. That's just another argument you made up. Secondly, expecting me to just find out words because I'm apparently a pleb for not speaking your native language is the very attitude you've been accusing me of.
Dude, seriously? Fact 1. I did not say you called persons a pest. Here's what I said: The spikes are meant to keep people away, just like ultrasonic mole chasers should keep away rodents. You advocate that. Nothing more. Fact 2. I did not say you said you were better, I said you were divisive,based on the "w/me" vs. "them" thing. Nothing more. Fact 3. Using two (2) words that are not english (but are known to let's say a lot of educated non-german speakers) makes me arrogant somehow, got me there. But it does not really put me in your league. Enjoy the rest of your sunday.
1. And WHEN exactly did I say that you said that I called them a pest? I literally wrote "rounding people like pest", which was a reference to your "chasing them away like a pest". I was too lazy to read the whole thing again, so I quoted you, just changed the formulation a bit.
2. You literally called me an Übermensch and Herrenmensch, which, based on the translation of the two words, I concluded were ironic insults about how "I think I'm better than anyone". The part when you say "just respecting them as equal beings" implies that too, because I have never said I disrespect anyone nor think we're not equal. What I said was that we should help those in need, but trying to help those who refuse your help (meaning the people who refuse to go to the shelters) at all cost does more harm than good. That was all I meant by that and how you concluded I think they're inferior, I don't know. Nice sunday to you too.
FSer, I hate to break it to you, but you are accusing her of a lot of things she hasn't said, you're insulting her and making arguments that don't even hold any base, I would challenge you to name three random people who just /know/ what those words mean despite not having studied German, and 90% of your comments were just insulting someone on the internet. If you're going to start calling people ignorant, learn how to debate properly.
Dunno, China is not a country of wasting ressources. Preventing the notorious chinese drivers from making u-turns could be achieved with a lot less efforts, no?
... Yeah, because you know that they don't do anything for people. For all you know, the poster could be volunteering 20 hours a week, they could give quite a bit to the homeless, run fundraisers. Don't assume just because it's a post on the internet, nothing is being done. It's called raising awareness, and it can be done even by people who do other things.
Do you still think we're the bad ones?
FSuser: And do you have any idea what you're talking about, or you're just one of the SJWs that blame people's different opinions on their "lack of knowledge and empathy"? And no, I'm not one of those snobs who don't want other people "spoiling my commute". I'm just a realist, and I think that trying to help everyone isn't the best way, either. Help those who want to be helped fully, not everyone, even those who don't want your help, just partly. Those who don't want it will waste it, and for those who do it's usually not enough, because the sources are limited. That's my opinion, anyway.
And btw: this pic was taken in the Peoples Republic of China. Makes sense, with this attitude.
I am not asking you, why you do not want to help people in need. I am asking why you feel the urge to chase them away like a pest.
Missraven: Wow, I'm sorry then, I didn't know. That's in the US, anyhow, not here in Europe, although the situation can't be much different. I'll think on that, but I still insist on the information I gathered from the news, the one about homeless shelters.
I should reconsider my wording: instead of calling you an Uebermensch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch), it should rather be Herrenmensch. No wiki here, sorry, but you will find out, what it means, if you care at all.
2. You literally called me an Übermensch and Herrenmensch, which, based on the translation of the two words, I concluded were ironic insults about how "I think I'm better than anyone". The part when you say "just respecting them as equal beings" implies that too, because I have never said I disrespect anyone nor think we're not equal. What I said was that we should help those in need, but trying to help those who refuse your help (meaning the people who refuse to go to the shelters) at all cost does more harm than good. That was all I meant by that and how you concluded I think they're inferior, I don't know. Nice sunday to you too.