Just saying. 50 shades is glorifying abuse, not BDSM..

I'm well aware that some are into that. But when Ana says no in the book, he threatens her. BDSM is not abuse, but this is not BDSM. Stalking, controlling, having non - consensual sex? Not BDSM. This book tries to make abuse look romantic and call it BDSM, which is actually probably a major insult to the lifestylers that are into healthy BDSM.

Everyone has their preferences. It's a fanfic book, not a biography.

Yes and a lot of people don't know that. It's great that one or two know the difference, but all these naive people are going to be jumping into relationships like the one portrayed in this book and believe it's "romance."

non-consensual sex is not romantic, and its not okay. Someone might be into non-consensual sex, but on the other side of that is someone who isn't and doesn't want to be apart of it. non-consensual sex is wrong and no one should make it seem like it is. Period.

I agree completely. And although they have a contract, one time consensual sex does not mean always consensual sex. She even uses safe words and he IGNORES them. Hello? Biggest red flag.

The contract thing - also a massive red flag.

question: have either of you ever read it? morgan sounds like she has a little...no matter what it is I can't stand people who judge something before reading it. it's very judgmental. and I personally think the books are a little pornographic and I don't like how they beat out Harry Potter (though JKR took it like a champ) but I like the way they're like Dexter but with sex. it's psychological. and personally I thought that when she goes back to him in the second book she doesn't go "running back" when he initially asks her she actually says "but it doesn't matter. you're still Fifty Shades"

that's what I'm saying! he even says several times "I don't want to push my luck" and "are you sure?" I admit it's not really a good way to base a relationship but abusive? no

So the part of the book where she says "no" and he continues, that's her choice?
Well I am so glad you guys cleared that one up for me. Good job.

Ok when the fuck did she say no and he continued?? In the second book, they don't even have any kind of sex other than regular sex for a long time, until SHE convinces HIM that she wants it. He's happy to just have her with him. I really don't think you've read the book because christian is not manipulative or makes her feel guilty about his past. He literally doesn't bring it up at all until he has to because she won't stop pestering.

On the first book there's a part when she emaild him saying she wants to finish their relationship and he goes to her housetand ties her up, in her ibternal dialogue she says she wants it but she never says it outloud so he wouldn't be able to know that. And to make it even worse, she literally says "no" (she meant "don't take my shoes off, my feet are stinky" but again, she didn't clarify so he couldn't have known) and he threatens to tie her feet too if she resists

Ok so I already knew this, but I wanted to get exact. After she sends him the email saying it was nice knowing him, she giggles and it plainly says that she sent it as a joke, and I'm positive he understood that. Furthermore, he knew she wanted him because A) you can tell when someone wants you and when they don't and B) he kisses her first and asks her if she trusts him and she nods, explicitly stating that she's ok with having sex, not that her body is any indication. And the feet thing, the only reason she doesn't want them off is because, like you said, she thinks they're smelly & him threatening to tie her feet down didn't make her afraid. She's more worried about her roommate eavesdropping. That is not rape. The one time she says no and means it, he lets her go. She tells him not to touch her & he doesn't. And like I said, in the second book, they do what she likes for most of it until she convinces him that she's ready for the stuff he likes & even then he's refuses at first.

These downvotes just show that people want to believe this book is about "glorifying abuse" when it really isn't.

And the downvotes in comments with actual facts that say that it is abusive show that you are in denial

That I'm in denial? I gave actual facts, facts that were more exact than yours.
Plus, I even proved that you were wrong in the facts you used, by using her exact words.

https://50shadesofabuse.wordpress.com/fsog-chapter-12-analysis/ read this, which is, in your words, "actual facts, more exact than yours and using her exact words" and tell me then if this doesn't qualify as rape

Look, after reading that article, I get why you think that it was rape. However, let me remind you that that person even said in the beginning that it's ok if you didn't perceive the scene as rape as it wasn't intended to be. Plus, this is what someone THINKS about the chapter and that scene, and I told you what I THINK about it. There were many points of hers that I disagreed with and I realize that different people perceive things differently, and you have to realize it, too. If I was in Ana's situation, I wouldn't have minded christian coming over and you can call me weak-minded or whatever all you want, but it all goes back to what people prefer. I still don't think he raped her, but I do get why it could be taken as rape. Have you actually read the book, though? Or have you gotten all your evidence from a site called "50 shades of abuse"? Because if I hadn't read the book, I would believe that to be rape, too. Reading that book, yes it was sometimes questionable about the abuse,

But it was always sexual, even when he spanked her she was turned on and she liked the pain and pleasure aspect of it. Also, they end up changing a lot of what they're into for each other and find a balance they're both comfortable and happy in. But again, these are my thoughts and those are your thoughts. I'm just sick and tired of people saying my thoughts are wrong because the book can apparently only be perceived in one way. -_-

Yes, I have actually read the first two books and a few of the first chapters of the third, and you are right, if you like the book no one should criticize you for it. But you also should respect that others think this is an abusive relationship, specially when there are so many points in the book that prove it.

And you should respect that many people don't think it's an abusive relationship, especially when there are so many points that prove that it isn't. It's the continual "you can like the book but it is abusive" that frustrates me because I don't see it as abusive and I don't like people forcing that down my throat because I perceive the book much differently than them and I am not the only one that it could be argued that I am delusional.

speaking of "facts" in the book, I'm going to point out that later in the book, at his parent's house, he wants to spank and fuck her again, but she says no, and he backs right off. He even points out after the fact, "you're the one will all the power. you said no. I can't touch you if you say no" what part of this is abusive?

Jmvail, I do think it just comes down to how people perceive these parts of the book because they'll pull out a lot of examples that me and you (and many others) wouldn't think are abuse. I just wish there wasn't so much criticism against this book and the people who enjoy it.

thanks witty. nice to know.