In the new testament, it does include homosexuality in a list of sins. But, it also includes murder, stealing, cheating, etc. It's just saying that all sins are equal, cheating is no better than murder, and homosexuality is not worse than any of them.
(Just saying.)
I'm not saying anything against it, I was just saying that the bible actually did have some things in it about homosexuality. Personally, I don't believe in it, but I would never condemn someone for their sexual preference. One of my very good friends is gay and I love him just as much as my other friends.
Love on another, yes, absolutely. That does NOT mean that we're supposed to condone sin. Homosexuality IS sin, and those guilty of it, and other sins, will burn.
Absolutely! I'm a sinner, just like everyone else. My point was though, that unless your sins are abolished (correctly baptized and for the right reasons), then you won't enter Heaven. Basically, if you're aren't baptized (or if you are, and live unfaithfully to God) you're going to Hell. THAT'S what Christ says. And just because Christ Himself doesn't say something Himself, doesn't mean we're not held to it. Homosexuality is condemned in 1 Corinthians, Romans, and elsewhere. We're held to ALL that is found in scripture, not just Matthew through John (Christ's ministry).
The guy who was being crucified next to Jesus that was saved *while on the cross* went to heaven because he accepted Jesus as the pardon of his sins. There was no time for them to hop down, go find a river and conduct a baptism. To get into heaven you must accept Jesus into your heart as the Lord and Savior of your life and soul. Baptism is simply an outward show of that proclamation. Try not to tell people that they will or will not get into heaven for sinning. I'm pretty sure none of you will be sitting at the right hand of God giving your nod of approval on who goes to heaven or hell. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Matthew 7:1-3
Here is how I think about it.The Bible says that those who follow God aren't supposed to be homosexual.So,it's up to them to worry about THEMSELVES,and not OTHERS.
That's exactly the attitude I try to spread in my church! It doesn't affect me at all and if they believe in God and have a relationship with him and still decide that's what they want to do then I can't say anything against that. It's their relationship with God, not mine.
The very few parts about Homosexuality in the Bible do not refer to the Homosexuality we have in our world today. In the Bible Homosexuality meant grown men sleeping with young boys, most times their slaves, often sex slaves. That's what Paulus called a sin. But that's not what we call Homosexuality today. You can't just take the Bible and leave aside all the social context it stood in. Homosexuality in the Bible does not equal Homosexuality in our world. Homosexuality in our world, two people of the same sex who love each other, is not a sin.
I am not expert. I do know there's a story in the Bible about a town which burned down. And had gay people. Basically has been said to me it was punishment because, among other thibgs/ sins, there was homosexuality. Now in not sayin I hate gays or anything. I'm just confused why no one has said there's something in the Bible about it.....again I was told and shown this in a bible im just stating that fact. Never went back and read it myself. Maybe it was an interpretation that changes with different knowledge/ views
I believe you're talking about Sodom and Gomorrah. People like to take that story and say that God hates gays so he burned down a city because they were the majority. But cities' sins were much more than that. They practiced temple prostitution, child sacrifice, people in the streets weren't safe because the citizens would rape anyone regardless of gender. Basically there were no morals and they made Vegas look like Salt Lake.
That! Thank you! My point was there's is something. ...I'm surprised no one says anything about it when the question of what bible says about gays arises. Anyways I have gone to different bible studies Fron Different beliefs and I always learn something but I keep in mind most of bible or a lot of it needs interpretation and that varies
I'm just wondering who they are. If you're talking about Ruth and Naomi I don't think that's quite right. Besides the fact that they both had husbands and children, they were very maternal. Samuel actually has two books and they're both a bit long and I'm sure they weren't just about couples.
Ok, so what I'm about to say will probably offend a lot of people but whatever. So, as a Christian, I view homosexuality as a sin. In church, we're taught that we should love one another as we love ourselves above all else. However, by loving others, we should try to help them get through whatever they need help with. Like I said before, encouraging them to give up whatever sinful habit they may have, because that only keeps them from having an even closer relationship with God. When we protest against homosexuality, we should be trying to do it out of love for them. We shouldn't be hating them because our own sins are just as bad as any of theirs. So long story short, I believe that homosexuality is wrong, and I would not support it, but I know that above all I should love that person. Thanks for reading all the way through. :)
I was told once hosexuality was like addiction ( the person was talking about her religious point of view) that helped me understand her stand because she doesn't hate the person but for her they are doing something is not right and she might love the person but she would advice her not to act on the uRges. For me at the end of the day doesn't matter we think. I believe in god and believe he is the one who judges and you should focus on you. if you believe you are trying to help ok. But I don't think protests help because it looks and feels like attack
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Hi! Just as a fact, I personally am conflicted over the issue, but the Catechism states that all homosexuals are "intrinsically disordered" (because their way of life can't reproduce new life, which is a huge component to marriage). However!!! In the next sentence or so, the catechism of the Catholic Church states that all homosexuals need to be treated with compassion, love, and sensitivity, and that ANy persecution of them can't be tolerated. The catechism then Invites them to live a life of celibacy (which I know, seems unfair) in the church.
So Catholicism, is not against homosexuals, but the act of homosexuality, something that is often confused. So I'm not trying to make a point really, because arguments for and against it are strong, but just to shed some light, because the Church is so often misconstrued. :)))
The Catechism is not inspired by God. The bible, is. "Against homosexuality", yes, correct. The bible condemns sin, NOT the sinner directly. However, if the individual is guilty of sin, he/she cannot be with God in Heaven and will be condemned to Hell because God is Holy (without sin). Basically the idea of "Hate the sin, not the sinner".
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That's true, but it does contain the principles of the Catholic Church, and it's a collection of teachings given by God. I'm more or less trying to show this from the catholic PoV, which is so often misrepresented. And don't forget that God is all forgiving, and a homosexual person can be with God, despite committing the act, as long as they repent. Anyone can go to Heaven, no matter the sin, they just need forgiveness :) (I apologize if this offends anyone)
2 things. Yes, as long as they repent and are baptized (correctly). And 2, No, they don't have that forgiveness. They're NOT forgiven until they take the necessary steps to RECEIVE forgiveness via Christ's death, through baptism. Acts 2:38, 1 Pet. 3:21. Yes, ALL can receive the forgiveness that God (Christ) offers, but it takes US to accept it and take the necessary steps to receive it.
"Until you accept it", yes, correct. Not before. Christ's death was the point in time that divided the old law, and the new law we're now under. It still takes the individual to first hear the word of God (Rom. 10:17), then believing that what you heard is true (Matt. 16:16), confess (Rom. 10:8-10), and be baptized (Acts 2:38, Rom. 6:3-4). And naturally, to disprove the Calvinistic notion of "once saved, always saved", one must also be faithful until death/Christ's return (Heb. 10:36, Rev. 2:10, 2nd Pet. 1:3-11).
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I agree with c31107, Christ's death and resurrection cleanses us of original sin, and gives us a chance for new life, but we still have to live according to Christ's teachings. Being baptized doesn't make all future sins okay or not count. The person not only has to take steps towards forgiveness, as well as accepting it, but also stop committing the sinful act.
(Just saying.)
because equality
So Catholicism, is not against homosexuals, but the act of homosexuality, something that is often confused. So I'm not trying to make a point really, because arguments for and against it are strong, but just to shed some light, because the Church is so often misconstrued. :)))