Okay I'm tired of seeing posts like this on this site. Someone's lifestyle choices is nobody else's goddamn business. Its not anyone's place to say something about someone's decisions on how they live they're life whether it be healthy, unhealthy, religiously, whatever it may be. I don't give a shit who you are. If it's not your life, don't worry about it. If they wanna eat McDonalds 3 times a day or run 5 five miles every morning, then so be it. Because how I or others want to live their life is nobody else's damn business.
The problem isnt that we want to be in their business. The problem is when they try to make it so that being healthy shouldn't be a goal and that getting to the point you can't even tie your own shoes is perfectly okay. It's like in the 30s when people were saying smoking was healthy for you and even recommended pregnant women do it. Would you think it was fine if smoking pregnant women told other pregnant women to do it because it was a choice?
Its fine to warn them and caution them of consequences but there's such a fine line with the whole fat is beautiful or unhealthy or whatever. I'm sick of seeing these posts about beauty and health standards. If its what people want to do with their life, we can't stop them. Why can't we just leave each others along and live peacefully instead of worrying about other people.
I'm fine witheaving people alone, but it's when they get to the point that they act as if they know better than a doctor. They will teach kids to eat what they want no matter if it's only vegetables and fruits or if it's all twinkies. We shouldn't be teaching people that being unhealthy is an okay thing to do. It's a matter of the future. Would you look forward to a future like in WallE ?
@nerds beauty is subjective, and even situational. But health is not. Biology is a science and as such, it's not conditioned by anything else than proper investigation.
Therefore, the "health standards" are there because after years of study, doctors determined that this was the correct way of making our bodies work better.
We can't say obesity is good, nor look over it. If i choose to kill a woman because i am arabic and my religion says so because reasons, would you tell me off or "let me live my life because it's the way i chose to be"?.
Caring about other people is a reflection of empathy, which is tipically a reflection of inteligence, or at least emotional inteligence.
Would you leave your sister to slowly die because " she chose so"? Would you be okay with people saying playing russian rulette is fun and teaching it to their kids? To your kids?
Rant off.
Did you seriously just compare being unhealthy and fat to killing a woman? No, what the fuck? Thats not even closely related. I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest of this because you guys don't understand my point of view on this. I'm not going to force people to lose weight just because its healthier. its not your job to tell someone they're unhealthy. You're not a doctor. But I will happily take that back if you could show me your medical license.
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· 8 years ago
When I compared killing a woman with letting people being obese, I was not talking about the outcome of it, but the main reaction we have about it: We punish the person DIRECTLY killing the woman, but not the one letting her die, or severely hurting her body.
Let me remind you that letting someone die IS against the law in most countries, pretty much the same punishment as directly killing them.
Since those things are so different, can you point out the diferences between them for me?
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The problem is we are not talking about being "fat", we are talking about obesity that is, indeed, risking your life. It's simple biology, you don't need to be a doctor to know that. A doctor could tell you more details or define better the limits, but the essence is the same, and still valid on this conversation. And if my point here is not valid because i'm not a doctor, then go ask one and hear the same i'm telling now.
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Let me remind you: We are not talking about "chubby", but obese and further.
I'm cool with people getting fat as long as I don't have to pay to keep their fatasses alive. I would rather have insurance money or countries with free health care have their money spent on something more important than on some fatass who couldn't stop himself from gorging on McDonald's everyday.
Several studies have found that stigma toward a person's weight will, in a significant majority of cases, cause further overeating and weight gain.
yale.edu/rudd-annualreport/stigma/Press/YaleDailyNews.11-1-06.Puhl.pdf
newsmax.com/Health/Health-News/obesity-stigma-weightism-overweight/2013/07/25/id/516942/
But keep telling yourself it's for their own good, and not just bullying.
Part of the problem is skinny people calling people "obese" when they can't see their ribcage. This is causing a lot of way more serious problems like anorexia. Nowadays up to 70% of teenagers feel they are "too fat" when they are perfectly ok and healthy. Obesity is BMI 30+, not being a little on the chubby side. Another part is that - even though the usual suspects will deny it, but hey, its science so prove it wrong or shut up - genetics make some 70% percent cause for obesity (not being "over"weight by some random standard).
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· 8 years ago
True. Society is fucked up in that way. Just look at how models are almost at the brink of anorexia.. and they are supposed to be the "standard" or "highest" beauty...
I agree with the people doing that. I've seen it happen before. But I feel like the 70% was pulled out of your ass ? If 70% of teenagers has an eating disorder there would be more about it
Try to improve your reading skills. The post you comment on does not say 70% of teenagers had an eating disorder, but rather that 70% feel they are "too fat" when they are definitely not. Which of course might attribute to developing an eating disorder.
One, rude and uncalled for. I read at college level in 5th grade. But sometimes people make mistakes.
Two, I thought that was the implication seeing as what the topic is.
Boohoo, "rude and uncalled for"? Coming from someone accusing a poster of pulling numbers out of his ass? Good one...
And no, you didn't think that much, You just barely read what I said and filled the void with your stereotype. This what gets you thru 5th grade college? Kinda sad
You're a guest, you don't even have an account and you're making judgments about me ? I wasn't even rude about asking if you pulled a random number out of your ass, but then you came and attacked my intelligence based off a mistake. So yes, you are the rude and uncalled for one.
And people have perceptions based on what they know. In either scenario I know a HELL of a lot more girls that are stick thin and happy with their bodies than average or overweight girls who aren't.
Do you know how much obesity costs americans?! A healthy society is a happy one. There should be more incentives like cheaper quality foods and programs to get kids moving. People are free to gorge themselves on whatever they want but we will all be paying for it for a long time.
Actually its the other way round: a happy person is likely to be healthy. If you tell someone he is fat, that's not gonna make him/her happy, right? Judging people by numbers is pretty much always bullshit, so how about just not doing it?
I don't want to be interfering with somebody's personal life. However, I think people need to be more educated on the consequences of becoming obese and know that however comfortable you may feel, that could have a horrible turn in later years. It can get outright dangerous. If you want to risk the health hazards- that's your choice, but people should know before they decide.
People cant just assume that someone "obese" is unhealthy
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· 8 years ago
Obese means excesively fat, therefore unhealthy - although there are way worse cases, which is called "morbid obesity".
Chubby / curvy is not unhealthy. It's actually the closest thing to the health standard, whitout being clinicaly "fit". The problem is, as the guest above said, most people think other people are obese when they just have a healthy, curvy body.
For example, J. Lawrence was called fat and obese, and she is clearly healthy.
Well according to my doctors chart at my height i should weigh 130-135 and i dont, im actually considered "obese" by her standards because im over 20lbs more then whats considered healthy however i dont have health problems(except a back problem from when i had my kids) that was my point not to assume one is unhealthy (as in sleep apnea, diabetes or other complications that can occur due to excessive weight gain) but im just speaking for my own experience thats all...
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· 8 years ago
Then you are *technically* unhealthy, because you are not inside the healthy standards. But since you are just at the edge between healthy and not, you have a much less risk of showing health problems than someone that has overpassed the limit by a lot.
It's probability, you don't get instantly sick when you have 1lb more over the recommened weight :p. Being unhealthy is just having a higher probability of getting ill than someone who is healthy.
But most people assume unhealthy = sick. Much like the ovese-fit thing i said before, people need to educate themselfs (not directected to you, but in general)
There it is
Therefore, the "health standards" are there because after years of study, doctors determined that this was the correct way of making our bodies work better.
We can't say obesity is good, nor look over it. If i choose to kill a woman because i am arabic and my religion says so because reasons, would you tell me off or "let me live my life because it's the way i chose to be"?.
Caring about other people is a reflection of empathy, which is tipically a reflection of inteligence, or at least emotional inteligence.
Would you leave your sister to slowly die because " she chose so"? Would you be okay with people saying playing russian rulette is fun and teaching it to their kids? To your kids?
Rant off.
Let me remind you that letting someone die IS against the law in most countries, pretty much the same punishment as directly killing them.
Since those things are so different, can you point out the diferences between them for me?
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The problem is we are not talking about being "fat", we are talking about obesity that is, indeed, risking your life. It's simple biology, you don't need to be a doctor to know that. A doctor could tell you more details or define better the limits, but the essence is the same, and still valid on this conversation. And if my point here is not valid because i'm not a doctor, then go ask one and hear the same i'm telling now.
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Let me remind you: We are not talking about "chubby", but obese and further.
yale.edu/rudd-annualreport/stigma/Press/YaleDailyNews.11-1-06.Puhl.pdf
newsmax.com/Health/Health-News/obesity-stigma-weightism-overweight/2013/07/25/id/516942/
But keep telling yourself it's for their own good, and not just bullying.
Two, I thought that was the implication seeing as what the topic is.
And no, you didn't think that much, You just barely read what I said and filled the void with your stereotype. This what gets you thru 5th grade college? Kinda sad
And people have perceptions based on what they know. In either scenario I know a HELL of a lot more girls that are stick thin and happy with their bodies than average or overweight girls who aren't.
Japan has amongst the lowest rates of obesity, longest life expectancies and... highest suicide rates.
Chubby / curvy is not unhealthy. It's actually the closest thing to the health standard, whitout being clinicaly "fit". The problem is, as the guest above said, most people think other people are obese when they just have a healthy, curvy body.
For example, J. Lawrence was called fat and obese, and she is clearly healthy.
It's probability, you don't get instantly sick when you have 1lb more over the recommened weight :p. Being unhealthy is just having a higher probability of getting ill than someone who is healthy.
But most people assume unhealthy = sick. Much like the ovese-fit thing i said before, people need to educate themselfs (not directected to you, but in general)