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The Nazis were fighting an extermination war.
The Confederates just wanted to leave the Union.

So they could keep slaves.

And attacking your own countries military instalation is the definition of being a traitor to your country.

The war wasn't about the slaves, it was political differences, and economics, and punching a dude in the face doesn't make me a traitor, I don't support the south I'm just being Devils advocate

Even still, most southerners didn't have slaves.
General Lee and the Confed Prez even expected slavery to die off on it's own.

The civil war began as a war for state's rights. When European countries wanted to assist the South in defeating the North, Lincoln pointed out slavery, turning the European aid his way. It was a bit of a dick move, but it was the right one for Lincoln to win the war.

Well Europe didn't get involved at all, due to the slavery thing

The whole "states rights" thing is a misnomer apologists trot out to dismiss the fact that what the South really wanted was more slave states and the North didn't.

Well I live in Florida. Shit just hit the fan down here b/c Wal-Mart just took the confederate flag off it's shelves and they're talking about taking it off the General Lee. Im just sitting back with popcorn b/c watching people spew their own spin on history is as close a Presidential shit storm as Im gonna get for another year.

Fun fact from a Georgia boy (who happens to not b a racist I might add) that flag isn't even the real confederate flag! It's the battle flag that Lee's army carried into battle. Since the war of northern aggression (as we call it below the Mason-Dixon) the flag has been taken on by groups like the KKK to symbolize a fight that came AFTER the south lost. Another fun fact, the Schwastica actually originated as a Buddhist symbol (maybe Hindu idk). But now days, people don't see it and say "Buddah!" They see it and say "NAZI!" Same with the confederate flag. Since the flag has become so offensive to some people, it may be time to visit the issue and investigate why it is flown. South Carolina happens to be the state where the whole conflict turned into war, so for them to fly the flag isn't that crazy from a historical POV. I say they take down the flag that has come to mean racist, an replace it with the real states rights flag, the stars and bars

On the swastika one there, yeah it was used by many civilisations for centuries (I can give you a link if you want). The Hindus did use it too to confirm your thoughts there and it was used as a sign of peace, prosperity and good fortune. The Nazis took it on because they thought it was a good visual that displayed the movement of the Aryan people (although obviously the Nazi swastika was a simplified form of it)

So, in summary, it is a symbol that holds different meanings for different people, just like some words! Your group of friends my have no problem with cussing, but that doesn't mean that you're gonna go and swear infront of your grandma

I mentioned a link earlier about the different uses of the swastika, if anyone is interested here it is https://m.funsubstance.com/fun/138195/just-thought-this-was-interesting/

The states rights to have slaves.

Yea they're never gonna tell people they cant fly it on their own. Especially down here. Hell there's a 50 foot one flyng over the interstate. People complain but it's on private property.

HAHA! Yes! I've seen that in South Georgia! I actually drove past that a couple months ago and just kinda blinked twice like, "wow, South Georgia and Atlanta might as well be different states."

Are you referring to the one in South Georgia?

Na there's one here on I-75 in between Tampa and Orlando.

Actually that might have been where it was... I mean, how many 50 foot rebel flags do you think there are? It's much more likely that at any given moment I have no idea what state I'm driving through. We were on our way to Florida when I fell asleep in shotgun tho...

Lol you never know. Guy could've seen either one and said AH YES!! I need one in my backyard. Which borders the interstate.

Actually down here below the Mason-Dixon, that isn't as far fetched as it sounds XD

I'm talking about the "confederate" flag that is rectangular instead of square and features just the canton of the real flags used by the government of the Confederate States of America. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

(Sadtruths other account) I was thinking well.. all of them. They take one, I raise the other to fuck with em.

To be fair, no one is flying a Bonnie Blue to "show their southern pride".

And actually, the constitution says, "unalienable rights, endowed on them by their Creator" (yes, capital C) so you do not forfeit your rights when you riot, heck, technically you don't lose them when you go to jail for murder, you are considered a threat to other people's right to life or property, so your rights that make you dangerous are taken away

And actually, I'd love to fly the Stars and Bars, but they aren't as popular, and therefore, harder to find cheep. Oh and also I don't have a flag pole...

But, if you are waving a flag to intentionally start a riot, you are threatening government and private property.

If some jackass wants to go and wave a confederate flag in the streets of ANY city, ain't shit gonna happen.

Actually I take that back, depending on what part of the city. He does it in the predominantly white area, nothing happens. He does it in another area (hint hint) tomorrow's headlines read, "DEAD DUMBASS: crazy Caucasian had it comming"

Eh I dunno. You wave it in the wrong part of they city, you're gonna have a bad time.

One person, no. One hundred people, possibly. There's your right to assemble.

I'm confused as to how that supports your argument... Was this even an argument? Are we arguing? I'm so confused, I just read that post about te guy who was is own grandfather as now my brain hurts...

In all truth I didn't see the last part of you're comment. Either I'm having a stroke or was just in a hurry to comment while watching Jon Stewart..I smell toast burning...

I'm just saying that a large group of people waving Confederate flags in the streets of any city in this country is dangerous and should probably be at least monitored by law enforcement.
I also think that that flag stands for much more than racism, as it is an emblem, accurate or not, of a state that fought a war against the United States of America.
I am not saying that it should be outlawed. As long as it's on private property and not there to start a riot, it's protected by the 1st Amendment. Not saying I agree with what it stands for, but you do you.
I just think that people should be educated on what that flag means more than anything. The modern, rectangular flag was adapted from historically accurate versions solely to promote hatred. The historically accurate ones stand for an enemy of the United States.

*clears throat and stacks papers* and now for my rebuttal. When, in this millennia have we seen a riot from a bunch of people with the Rebel Flag? What we HAVE seen is a riot (or five) with the symbol of punks like Treyvon Martin and Mike Brown. When there is a large group of people walking through the streets waving that flag, it's usually in a parade, an event most often highly populated by police. You say the flag stands for much more than racism, I would say that, as a controversial symbol, it means very different things to different people. It doesn't matter the color of your skin, it matters how you were raised. There is a black man (his name slips my mind) that parades around the country and goes on speaking tours about why he supports the Confederate Flag. Turns out, after research, he flies the flag as a symbol of rebellion against the government. The historically accurate version is still a symbol that means different things to different people.

I would venture that over 75% of people do not know what the true flag of the south looks like, and if you were to ask them what it was, they wouldn't know. To me, the flag calls to mind the fight for states rights that I believe Mr. Lincoln's War was. States rights trump most federal legislation (as we see in Washington and Colorado with recent legalization of Marijuana)

I have never known anyone to fly a square one, one with the "Stars and Bars" in the canton with a white field, or a Bonnie Blue. Those are historically accurate. The rectangular one we know today is a fairly recent creation that had nothing to do with the Confederate States of America. If we are going to consider it a symbol of the South's Civil War history, then we have to attach rebellion from the United States of America with that.
And the riots over the deaths of Treyvon Martin and Mike Brown have absolutely nothing to do with the flag. I never said they were warranted or justifiable. Racism goes both ways, and saying that flying a Confederate flag is wrong in no way justifies racism in the other direction.

True on your racism bit, but actually the flag they want to remove from SC is in fact a square, but I see where you are comming from with the rectangle one being racist

It also has white fringe. It in my mind it has nothing to do with racism or slavery, but the fact that the government of South Carolina still flies a flag that is a historically accurate symbol of a rebellion against the USA. That's why it should be taken down.

If they wanted them. There were northern states who had slaves too. They wanted slaves just as much as the south.

Well good, but to pretend the civil war was not about slavery is deeply ignorant.

It's not because it wasn't. Lincoln declared it to be about slavery to keep Europe from helping the south, but ultimately slavery was just a subplot in the long run of the civil war

The truth has been spoken and people still are deaf to it

But I'd like to hear why people disagree. What makes you think slavery had anything to do with the origins of the ACW? Rights to have slaves may have played a part, but that can be lumped into a war for state rights.

Like I don't understand how you could not see the war as being mostly about the issue of slavery. The seven states that formed the early confederacy were all states that relied heavily on cotton production using slave labor. They formed the Confederacy after Lincoln and the early Republican party were sworn into office on a platform of limiting expansion of slavery to Western Territories. You can try and chalk this all up to some high minded ideal of the rights of the state vs. those of the federal government, but the simple hard economic fact is that the South needed slavery to continue to make money.

But the South was also pissed at the North for other political reasons besides the slavery issue right?

OK so fun fact this was at like 12 am when I started commenting and I meant probably the exact opposite

lol ok but we're still gonna continue and clear up discrepancies.

Hec yeah keep the party going brotha lol

Name an issue bigger then slavery or one that isn't directly tied into slavery.

States rights wasn't directly tied into slavery, like I said earlier, the civil war was more over difference in Economics

But nearly every issue they claimed was a states right, was directly related to slavery. The economics is tied directly into slavery. The North was mostly industrial but couldn't necessarily compete with other more developed countries. so they favored tariffs on imported goods. While the South was able to compete with low cost slave labor and therefor wanted free trade. Point in fact a majority of the states who seceded listed the States right to own slaves as their main reason for seceding.

Do u know exactly what happened to the slaves once they reached the north? They got jobs in factories which was basically slave life all over again.

No doubt! Also the North didn't even initially fight to end slavery in the South.

Correct I wish more people knew these things instead of seeing the South as being cold hearted slave beaters and the North as kind gentle people to blacks

Granted the North was not equality for all, but they were free states and the South insisted on clinging to the brutal subjugation of an entire race of people for the purpose of producing cheap cotton.

Most weren't brutal but there were those who beat their slaves. Either way I think slavery is wrong, but we shouldn't try to forget our past.

Sure not everyone was beating their slaves but the concept of slavery is inhuman enough. We shouldn't forget this shameful past.

Forgive but never forget