I kinda look at it like this, you know when you're hanging out with ur friends and they call u a name like "Hey, bitch" or "omg ur such an ass lol" that doesn't upset you cuz y'all are cool with each other. But if a stranger just walked up to you and said it you'd be all like "Woah what the eff?" That's how I feel when me and my "black friends" say nigga to each other. I know they're not saying ot to offend me, get a rise out of me or with a negative connotation. Where as when a "non black friend" uses it I don't feel that friendly vibe. It's kinda like "Woah what the eff". Fortunately for me, I'm friends with some pretty classy people so if I say, "Hey I kinda don't like that" they don't debate me on it they kinda respect me and I do the same. My friendships are weird like that idk
I have my reservations about the scenario your talking about, but I'll let it slide. What really pisses me off is when white people can't even say nigger on the news when they're talking about the word "nigger". For some reason white people are just really strictly not allowed to say the word for any reason whatsoever. It's ridiculous.
And I think that's what annoys black ppl the most lol white people want to use it to look cool and mimic stereotypical black characteristics but Dnt really care for, look down on and out down blacks ppl. But I'm sure u Dnt do that ur just gangster-ish lol
Of all the words that exist and have existed throughout the history of language ever, you want to chose the one word black people have turned from a symbol of centuries filled with oppression and hate to a regular term within the black community, to whine over not being able to say. You don't understand that being able to say that one word is a stamp of authenticity. You wanna be able to say the word and not go through the struggles that are associated with it. You wanna ride the rollercoaster without waiting in the line. Let us have our word.
@ashleyo
People don't have to like it, but I shouldn't be penalized for saying it based on my race.
@totallydude
"Of all the words that exist and have existed throughout the history of language ever, you want to chose the one word black people have turned from a symbol of centuries filled with oppression and hate to a regular term within the black community, to whine over not being able to say."
I don't choose it because of any of that, I choose it because race plays a factor in whether one can say it, and that's retarded.
"You don't understand that being able to say that one word is a stamp of authenticity."
What so if you don;'t say nigger you're not black?
"You wanna be able to say the word and not go through the struggles that are associated with it. You wanna ride the rollercoaster without waiting in the line."
It's a word, they don't come with strings attached, that's my point. What other word is reserved like that?
"Let us have our word."
You can't own words.
Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? I'm literally fucking telling you that yes, this fucking word has terrible symbolism and offends me and my race and you just respond with "no it doesn't" YOU DONT GET TO SAY WHAT DOES AND DOESN'T OFFEND MY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IM SITTING HERE TELLING YOU THAT IT DOES, WHERE THE FUCK DOES THAT FLY?! You don't get to come into my space and demand something you feel that you deserve and then invalidate my experiences with the damn word. Honestly, what the fuck word do you come from where this is okay?! You fucking know right from wrong, but you wanna push the limits anyway. Now if I go around shitting bricks about not being able to say cracker, honkey, and mayo even though those have no historical oppression behind them,y'all would be mad hollaring reverse racism. Oh cry me a fucking river, you have the goddamn world modeled after you and in your favor and you breaking balls over a racially motivated and charged word you can't say, oh wow
"Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?"
A stranger on the internet, and anyone else who bothers to read my comments.
"you just respond with "no it doesn't""
Nowhere in my post do I say that.
"You don't get to come into my space and demand something you feel that you deserve"
Of course I do, how else will I get what I deserve?
"and then invalidate my experiences with the damn word."
How have I done that?
"Now if I go around shitting bricks about not being able to say cracker, honkey, and mayo even though those have no historical oppression behind them,y'all would be mad hollaring reverse racism."
But you are allowed to say those words.
Nice ill-conceived rant, by the way.
Dude that's what I'm saying, you say I'm allowed to say those words to you but I won't because I FUCKIN RESPECT YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE. Those words are bad but not nearly as terrible as the n word and I won't dare say one let alone three of those hateful words to you, so why do you think everything is fine and peachy when you not even ask for permission but think you are entitled to say the fucking word KNOWING the history what the fuck? Justify that for me please cause you reachin youre fucking childish, having more than anybody in the word and wanting the one thing you can't have for all the fucking reasoning in the world. I'm mean really do you know what you're saying? I thought people like you and the other retards on this post only existed in black comedian's dark humor skits smh
"so why do you think everything is fine and peachy when you not even ask for permission but think you are entitled to say the fucking word KNOWING the history"
Because I am entitled to my opinion and free speech, which includes "nigger", because you cannot own words.
"having more than anybody in the word"
What the fuck do you know about what I have?
Are you white? Otherwise, I really can't explain what is going through your mind. didn't like three days ago you said you think saying the word was juvenile, so what changed in between then and now? Its crazy how people think that white privilege doesn't exist, but then again some people still think only gays carry HIV so...
"Are you white? Otherwise, I really can't explain what is going through your mind."
You know what goes on in all white people minds? That sounds like prejudice to me.
"didn't like three days ago you said you think saying the word was juvenile"
No.
"Its crazy how people think that white privilege doesn't exist"
Not really, because it doesn't. Even if it did, it doesn't make sense to call it white privilege in the first place. It should be called white advantage, or something and even using the word "white" is disingenuous, as there are certainly many places in the world where white people are minorities. The term reeks of an agenda.
No I don't know what goes on in white peoples minds at all, but I do know what goes on in most black people's mind and our mind sets are two totally different things. Also, yes you actually did say that and while going back to to check I also saw that you typed " As a white man I have something to say: niggers. niggers niggers niggers niggers. Fuck anyone that tells me I cant say nigger. They're niggers." Look back in your earlier comments. Ohhhh, I get it, its juvenile to want to say it because you want to be a badass but its fine for talking about it, for arguing, and to sound "gangster". The fact that I've been giving you reason after reason to not use the word and you bypast the simplest reason of basic respect for a human because you wanna sound "gangster". Man do what you wanna do, if you wanna say the word fuckin say it but everyone's gonna think you're the asshole you truly are just like if you said "hail Hitler" to a Jew. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will.
"No I don't know what goes on in white peoples minds at all, but I do know what goes on in most black people's mind and our mind sets are two totally different things."
You claim to know what all black people think and not what all white people think, but also claim to know that they're completely different? The prejudice is strong with you.
"you wanna sound "gangster"."
I don't want to do that.
"Man do what you wanna do"
I will.
"everyone's gonna think you're the asshole you truly are"
They are welcome to their opinion and you are welcome to yours.
"like if you said "hail Hitler" to a Jew."
I wasn't aware that it was fine to say that otherwise.
"If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. "
Gotten what? You can't own words, and it doesn't make sense to limit certain races form saying certain words. That in itself is racist.
Dude, I've already said it, I'm not about waste much time on you cause you're trying to justify something you already know is wrong. Do what you want, you can't force basic respect into someone who doesn't care. You are, I'm assuming, a grown man. This is a free country, and you have free speech, but it doesn't make it any less wrong to tease a baby, stare at a woman's butt, or cut somebody off on the freeway, which all barely compare to the negitive significance of the word you want to say. But you do what you're moral compass says do. And don't come at me with some bullshit saying I'm trying to force white guilt on you; ive found that people who argue about the n word always come to that conclusion.
"you're trying to justify something you already know is wrong."
There are may ways in which saying many words is wrong, but a word itself can't be uncontextually wrong, and it ridiculous to limit words to certain races. If it's such a bad word with tons of bad history and that's supposedly a reason why it shouldn't be said then why is it okay for black people to say it? Shouldn't they never say it at all because they know better than anyone how bad it is?
"Do what you want"
I will.
"And don't come at me with some bullshit saying I'm trying to force white guilt on you; ive found that people who argue about the n word always come to that conclusion. "
No that's definitely not what you're doing. That would be a silly conclusion in this scenario.
Read my first posts, its something we turned from hurting us so much to being a term of endearment between us. Have you ever heard of the Bratz dolls? How do you think they got their name? Something bad turned good. Also, I was just kidding when I said that stuff about white guilt but are you really for real? Umm, yeah I would think after everything I've said (which is all true) to attempt to teach you the significance of the word and how it hurts people and you still wanting to say it, you would feel a little guilty. Its not human if you don't. Do you really think I'm trying to guilt you?
"its something we turned from hurting us so much to being a term of endearment between us."
"Something bad turned good."
If it's something bad turned good that's now a term of endearment then why can't white people say it?
"I was just kidding when I said that stuff about white guilt"
I kind of though so, seeing as how you really weren't going for that angle at all.
"the significance of the word and how it hurts people"
How can a term of endearment hurt people?
"Do you really think I'm trying to guilt you?"
No, like I said in my last post.
I'm tired. I'm really tired with this back and forth. There is nothing more I can say, you've already said you would do what you wanted anyway so I honestly can't waste anymore time here. Do you and imma do me. You just really bring me down to know that you really feel that way. You have to be a smart person and yet I'm sure you're not trolling this post. Whatever, just know that while you're entitled to your opinion, others are too so don't be surprised or feel attacked when someone retaliates to something you know causes them pain.
"There is nothing more I can say"
That usually means you lose.
"You have to be a smart person"
Thank you.
"yet I'm sure you're not trolling this post."
This is true.
"You just really bring me down to know that you really feel that way."
That's unfortunate.
"don't be surprised or feel attacked when someone retaliates to something you know causes them pain."
I'll feel attacked if I get attacked, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I get my shit kicked in if I were to call a big black guy a nigger, or something like that.
When people use it in an article or on the news I could care less. And honestly, in that context most blacks don't, like, we get it, the media just tells everyone we do lol But there is no "normalizing" it. If I called your mom a whore and said it enough what it ever be normal or acceptable? I'm afraid insults don't work that way. Btw I dnt think ur mom is a whore. I'm sure she's lovely just needed to use smthng dramatic to make my point sorry
"I called your mom a whore and said it enough what it ever be normal or acceptable?"
If everyone called everyone a whore all the time, yes, it would be come normalized.
But everyone doesn't call everyone a whore just like everyone doesn't call everyone a nigger lol it'll never be "normal" or acceptable for u to use it. I know that's probably shocking that someone's telling u no but it will literally never be socially acceptable and guess what that's ok
Fuck niggers. Should be shot on sight for not working on my cotton plantation. Niggers need to know their place, either get out of our great Caucasian human cilivization or go back to Africa. Fucking dirty niggers
People don't have to like it, but I shouldn't be penalized for saying it based on my race.
@totallydude
"Of all the words that exist and have existed throughout the history of language ever, you want to chose the one word black people have turned from a symbol of centuries filled with oppression and hate to a regular term within the black community, to whine over not being able to say."
I don't choose it because of any of that, I choose it because race plays a factor in whether one can say it, and that's retarded.
"You don't understand that being able to say that one word is a stamp of authenticity."
What so if you don;'t say nigger you're not black?
"You wanna be able to say the word and not go through the struggles that are associated with it. You wanna ride the rollercoaster without waiting in the line."
It's a word, they don't come with strings attached, that's my point. What other word is reserved like that?
"Let us have our word."
You can't own words.
A stranger on the internet, and anyone else who bothers to read my comments.
"you just respond with "no it doesn't""
Nowhere in my post do I say that.
"You don't get to come into my space and demand something you feel that you deserve"
Of course I do, how else will I get what I deserve?
"and then invalidate my experiences with the damn word."
How have I done that?
"Now if I go around shitting bricks about not being able to say cracker, honkey, and mayo even though those have no historical oppression behind them,y'all would be mad hollaring reverse racism."
But you are allowed to say those words.
Nice ill-conceived rant, by the way.
Because I am entitled to my opinion and free speech, which includes "nigger", because you cannot own words.
"having more than anybody in the word"
What the fuck do you know about what I have?
You know what goes on in all white people minds? That sounds like prejudice to me.
"didn't like three days ago you said you think saying the word was juvenile"
No.
"Its crazy how people think that white privilege doesn't exist"
Not really, because it doesn't. Even if it did, it doesn't make sense to call it white privilege in the first place. It should be called white advantage, or something and even using the word "white" is disingenuous, as there are certainly many places in the world where white people are minorities. The term reeks of an agenda.
You claim to know what all black people think and not what all white people think, but also claim to know that they're completely different? The prejudice is strong with you.
"you wanna sound "gangster"."
I don't want to do that.
"Man do what you wanna do"
I will.
"everyone's gonna think you're the asshole you truly are"
They are welcome to their opinion and you are welcome to yours.
"like if you said "hail Hitler" to a Jew."
I wasn't aware that it was fine to say that otherwise.
"If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. "
Gotten what? You can't own words, and it doesn't make sense to limit certain races form saying certain words. That in itself is racist.
There are may ways in which saying many words is wrong, but a word itself can't be uncontextually wrong, and it ridiculous to limit words to certain races. If it's such a bad word with tons of bad history and that's supposedly a reason why it shouldn't be said then why is it okay for black people to say it? Shouldn't they never say it at all because they know better than anyone how bad it is?
"Do what you want"
I will.
"And don't come at me with some bullshit saying I'm trying to force white guilt on you; ive found that people who argue about the n word always come to that conclusion. "
No that's definitely not what you're doing. That would be a silly conclusion in this scenario.
"Something bad turned good."
If it's something bad turned good that's now a term of endearment then why can't white people say it?
"I was just kidding when I said that stuff about white guilt"
I kind of though so, seeing as how you really weren't going for that angle at all.
"the significance of the word and how it hurts people"
How can a term of endearment hurt people?
"Do you really think I'm trying to guilt you?"
No, like I said in my last post.
That usually means you lose.
"You have to be a smart person"
Thank you.
"yet I'm sure you're not trolling this post."
This is true.
"You just really bring me down to know that you really feel that way."
That's unfortunate.
"don't be surprised or feel attacked when someone retaliates to something you know causes them pain."
I'll feel attacked if I get attacked, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I get my shit kicked in if I were to call a big black guy a nigger, or something like that.
If everyone called everyone a whore all the time, yes, it would be come normalized.
Not with that attitude.
"that's ok"
You're welcome to your opinion.
Fuck anyone who tries to tell me I can't say nigger. They're niggers.