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famousone
· 5 years ago
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Might take a hot minute, but you play the hand you're dealt.
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guest
· 5 years ago
No... you spent 100k for the prospect of making 1.2 million more than your non college educated peers over the course of your career
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guest
· 5 years ago
I did it to become a teacher. I will not make 1.2 million more than anyone ever.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
The problem arises in loss of perspective. If you go to college to make money you’ve already made a mistake. You go to college because what you want to do requires a college education- and if you’re doing what you want to do then the pay isn’t the concern. You don’t take painting class thinking it’s a guaranteed ticket to high pay. You take it because you want to paint- if your painting makes you enough to live on or even be wealthy that’s great- but you wanted to learn painting so that’s what you paid for and that’s what you got. In 2019 it’s not a secret what jobs pay. You can see what most people make and what school costs before you sign up- so there’s few cases where one should be surprised when they get out of school to find out what they owe or what they’ll make.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
People get upset when they find out they studied the wrong thing for what they want out of life and who they are. We all like to think we are exceptional but there are few prodigies in any generation. A top lawyer will make millions, but most will chase ambulances to make little more than someone who never went to law school for example. A top accountant can make millions while a mediocre one will make little over minimum wage and most will make an average middle class wage. Excelling in a field isn’t just about your skill level- it’s about your ability to leverage your skill set, seek or be granted opportunity, market yourself and position yourself to be where you need to be to make money.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
As for the old wisdom that a grad will make so much more over their life than a non grad- many skilled trades, sales jobs, investing, tech jobs, etc. don’t even require a high school education. I knew guys who dropped out of high school to sell cars and were making $100k a year before they were 20. That’s over half a million dollars earned before their peers were graduating college to start at jobs paying less than that with almost that much in debt racked up- and this isn’t a Steve Jobs or sports star/celebrity gig that’s one in a million. A good salesman in a good market can easily make that without being a statistical anomaly.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
But yeah- they are more or less capped to around that amount and in time their peers will possibly exceed them. IF- they stop there. But I know one person in particular who started in sales when young, became a manager young and got a raise- took finance classes and worked finance, and then with their experience and skills became a partner in a business and within a few decades were making $200 an hour. It’s all about how you play your cards and who you really are. If you don’t have it in you to excel you won’t- it doesn’t matter what level of education you have.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
If you don’t have goals and the drive and ambition to reach them, the soft skills to realize them, the eye to see opportunity, the circumstances to be where opportunity is- you are going to have lower odds and a harder time reaching a goal. I’m not advocating people not go to school or saying that it’s a persons “fault” if they aren’t successful as they’d like- but there is a component of self in our success to go along with the external factors and luck that influence success.
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guest
· 5 years ago
40k PER YEAR. In less than 3 years, it's gonna be break even. Is there a problem with that? Even in business, 3-year payback period is relatively acceptable.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Very true- but counter point- if you don’t live in a one horse town and/or have a host of factors in your past which would be obstacles- it’s exceptionally easy to earn $40k a year without a high school diploma. You can make that managing a chain store or doing shipping and recieving or logistics work. $40k a year is like $20 an hour. In m Out burger starts new hires at $13 an hour and pays up to over $100k a year without needing a degree. A few years working fast food could net a high school drop out $40k. So in comparison of a $0 investment for a $40k return it may seem insulting to some. HOWEVER...
guest_
· 5 years ago
They once raced a Yamaha R1 street bike against an F18 fighter plane on the tarmac. The Bike won the 1/4 drag. Sounds impressive- but after the 1/4 mike the plane was going 600mph and the bike tops out a little over 200- so after the 1/4 that bike will never catch up. Likewise- you may start at $40k as a grad but with work and potential your odds of eclipsing the fast food worker raise, and the prospects for what industries, companies, and geographic locations you can find a good job in are much higher as well in general.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
The forgotten factor of many grads is time. We all want reward now, not in decades- but generally that’s not how it works. They thing is- many or most grads are ignorant. Not an insult- a truth. You just finished studying for 4 years+ and May have never worked at all- but most likely do not have any experience in your field. Watch a YouTube tutorial on how to do crazy make up or how to draw. You can memorize it and be able to tell someone all the steps but not have the practice and experience to do it yourself.
guest_
· 5 years ago
And it isn’t just the hard skills- it’s not just engineer or lawyer who knows everything on paper and in theory about their trade but has never actually been hands on with t on the field- it’s soft skills. Little things like communication, working on a team, organization, politics, customs, and the particular nuances of whatever the industry and the types of personalities in it are. These you only learn through experience.
guest_
· 5 years ago
So when people get flummoxed over how entry level jobs have these requirements and or low pay- that’s why. I’ve worked with people who were shiny grads with amazing knowledge but they made tools for people who’s jobs they’d never done and didn’t understand. The logic and design was flawless of these tools and any school project would give an A+... but they sucked and people hated them and they didn’t work- because in the trap world they didn’t do what was needed and weren’t designed how the actual user would use them or understand them.
guest_
· 5 years ago
One of the requirements of my job is that I must be able to do the job of every single person in my company. HR, credit, accounting, shipping, recieving, every manager, networking, operations, business enterprise, any technical position, the receptionists even. I have to know their jobs and how to do every function of them. I have to intimately know their work flow and how they operate.
guest_
· 5 years ago
In theory you could do my job without that knowledge- but not well. I make decisions that effect these people on high levels and in minute detail. I approve changes that impact them and need to speak for them and be able to say “that’s great but it needs to do this instead...” and so on. But most jobs rely on others. You can’t be a good sales person if you don’t understand how your shipping, procurement, logistics, and credit work. How do you give customers estimates on time for things when you don’t know how long it takes to ship, receive, inventory/inspect, etc. product or transactions? How can an accountant know something is wrong on the books if they don’t know the business? How can a lawyer defend a client when they don’t know how police or others operate? How can a Dr. know what they can ask of their nurses if they don’t understand the job? And so on.
guest_
· 5 years ago
You have to do your time. You have to learn how the business works and what your place in it is. Knowledge is power and what you learn in school is only a fraction of the knowledge most jobs require of a successful fit. You can be taught technical things and procedural things that form the basic foundations a role requires, but the rest you have to gather through experience- and you have to weed out the people who will work and those who just picked a job where they thought they could be mediocre and make a steady and large check.