The trials should never have been conducted. They were illegal by every metric, as you cannot prosecute crimes committed before they were in the books, and I feel they also served to legitimize the Nazi leadership. Better to just put them down the way one would a rabid beast, than to give them the dignity of a kangaroo court.
No. They were animals, sick enough to exterminate their own like vermin.
Human decency is wasted on inhuman monsters, and there'd be no stain on my soul or conscience if I lined them up and shot them myself.
Though in memory of their victims, I'd certainly be open to allowing them one last shower, first.
Calling them animals and dehumanising them gives the message that we were any different. They were men (and maybe women idfk) who were just doing their jobs. They clocked in, went home to their wives and children. They were considered good people on the 9 to 5 but their 9 to 5 was killing Jews. It was horrific and vile and it was committed by humans. To say anything else is to devalue to nature of such an atrocity and lays the grounds for it to happen again.
The first commanding officer of Auschwitz lived 50 feet from the gas chamber on the military base and his wife described their time their as paradise. When he was captured and sentenced to death he was hung exactly 25m from his home and the chambers, right between Paradise and Hell.
If you can dehumanize innocent civilians, you deserve worse. It is especially the butchers who ought to be dragged through the mud and left to rot in ditches.
If you don't accept humans are capable of great evil then how will you be prepared to stop a person who is displaying similar thought processes. For instance dehumanising a large group of a populace? If you really don't think your mindset is exactly that of the Nazi's then you're exactly the person who needs to accept they were all humans. You just said that human beings deserve to be dragged through mud and ditches, implying horrifying suffering. Do you not see ANY parallels?
"If you can dehumanise innocent civilians, you deserve worse." The Nazi's din't see them as innocent, they believed they were a cult of money hungry cruel beasts who were the cause of Germany's disparity after the war. Do you really think it is impossible for people to not fall into the same trap? During the Syrian illegal immigration (Which is a whole other issue im just gonna say what happened) there were headlines labelling every single one of them as terrorists, quoting ISIS propaganda about sending an army. Its the same scare tactics except now its a lot harder to motivate a populace. But it's really easy to divide one.
Securing borders has nothing in common with rounding up your own neighbors to be slaughtered. If you can't differentiate necessary functions from slaughtering people for no cause, then you're feeding into the division worse than most.
Me? I'm ready to put jackboots down like so many coyotes, and I'll not lose a minute of sleep over it.
The problem isn't that nobody recognized the evil, they did. The problem is that so many turned a blind eye, or actively participated. The blood of the innocents left to rot in mass graves or collect in chimneys demands it.
I never said the actions were the same I said the scare tactics used were the similar in motive, neither did I say the problem was recognition. You're clearly steering my point to a specific mold so you feel comfortable.
Bottom line is the nazis were people who did bad things to other people. You need to do some introspection about what that means and how you view these events. Because your mindset displayed here is exactly the type that allows for these events to take place.
You seem to be coming from a place of emotion given your colourful descriptors but in history and philosophy it is best to be blunt and objective. And as to rotting in a massive grave, there were none. Bones and ashes were, unknowingly, used by local farmers as fertiliser. And the only gas chamber still standing is the one on the Auschwitz military camp separate from Birkenau which is the main facility of Auschwitz. The only physical evidence of the atrocities was about an ounce and a half of ashe.
Displayed in the Auschwitz memoriam museum. Along with 2000 tons of hair. Thousands of pairs of glasses 40,000 pairs of shoes, portraits of prisoners all with their dates of deaths on them and the "standing cells" designed to kill prisoners from exhaustion.
It is a planned, designed, ordered, built and implemented evil, carried out by hundreds of people just doing their job.
Don't try to say there weren't mass graves. The Nazis committed deliberate evils, entirely conducted by cowards and monsters. My mindset didn't enable it, people thinking like me would've and did fight, kill, and die to stop the Reich. The partisans, the rebels, the soldiers, and every man, woman, and child who chose to bleed out on a bed of spent brass rather than die like cattle.
The only mass graves I can think of would be the ones the Russians dug once they liberated the camp. It was war time so that was more respectful than what the germans gave the dead.
The germans were obsessed with there being no evidence and a mass grave is kinda easy to find.
For crying out loud, there were mass graves. The worst in Ukraine had upwards of 30,000 bodies, and just last year they found one in Belarus with over 1,200.
They were monsters who only cared to slaughter those arbitrarily labeled subhuman.
And yeah, I'm mad. You accused me of being the sort to enable the slaughter of innocents, but it was people like me who rose up in Poland, France, Eastern Europe, Italy, or anywhere common people stood against the Nazis. They knew evil that needed to be fought at any cost, while the true enablers were the cowards too scared to call them monsters, opting instead to say "They are just doing their jobs". Personally, I think it's telling how the final battle of the European theater was American soldiers and German regulars teaming up against the Nazis.
Human decency is wasted on inhuman monsters, and there'd be no stain on my soul or conscience if I lined them up and shot them myself.
Though in memory of their victims, I'd certainly be open to allowing them one last shower, first.
The first commanding officer of Auschwitz lived 50 feet from the gas chamber on the military base and his wife described their time their as paradise. When he was captured and sentenced to death he was hung exactly 25m from his home and the chambers, right between Paradise and Hell.
Me? I'm ready to put jackboots down like so many coyotes, and I'll not lose a minute of sleep over it.
Bottom line is the nazis were people who did bad things to other people. You need to do some introspection about what that means and how you view these events. Because your mindset displayed here is exactly the type that allows for these events to take place.
You seem to be coming from a place of emotion given your colourful descriptors but in history and philosophy it is best to be blunt and objective. And as to rotting in a massive grave, there were none. Bones and ashes were, unknowingly, used by local farmers as fertiliser. And the only gas chamber still standing is the one on the Auschwitz military camp separate from Birkenau which is the main facility of Auschwitz. The only physical evidence of the atrocities was about an ounce and a half of ashe.
It is a planned, designed, ordered, built and implemented evil, carried out by hundreds of people just doing their job.
The germans were obsessed with there being no evidence and a mass grave is kinda easy to find.
They were monsters who only cared to slaughter those arbitrarily labeled subhuman.
And yeah, I'm mad. You accused me of being the sort to enable the slaughter of innocents, but it was people like me who rose up in Poland, France, Eastern Europe, Italy, or anywhere common people stood against the Nazis. They knew evil that needed to be fought at any cost, while the true enablers were the cowards too scared to call them monsters, opting instead to say "They are just doing their jobs". Personally, I think it's telling how the final battle of the European theater was American soldiers and German regulars teaming up against the Nazis.