The treatment is worse than the illness after a point.
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That's pretty much a commonplace, meaning it's not incorrect, so I've heard it from many people, and I asked a few of them irl what exactly they meant and where that point would be, but that only got me more platitudes. Only out of curiosity: in your opinion, what would be a figure of whatever commodity at which you would set a turning point? And what exactly would have to change after, or rather, before reaching that point?
That's a lot of commas...Your question isn't clear to me but I'll do my best to answer: My point isn't about measuring the value of a commodity (corn, clothes, oil etc) compared to human lives. It's about measuring the quality of human life in both scenarios.
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Pure numbers discussion: If the US did nothing, the largest credible estimation of death was 2.2M people in a country that has about 9M deaths per year on average. Some of that 2.2M were very likely to die in 2020 without covid. And of the 9M who are going to die in 2021, a large amount of them would have died early in 2020 due to covid so 2021 deaths would have actually been something less than 9M.
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Now, imagine the quality of life if we have 45% unemployment. A pure depression in every sense of the word. Starving families, communities resorting to theft, suicides rise through the roof.
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The question we're faced with is what is the best balance of those two extremes. Claiming that we should crash out way of life to
Let's do a quick fact check for everyone, @princessmonstertru. The CDC reports that 2.8M Americans die every year. Not 9M.
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The mortality rate of covid 19 is hard to pin down. News outlets are reporting somewhere between 0.66% and 10%. The World Health Organization, using real numbers and no politics is saying 3.4%.
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There are 360M Americans. If we all magically got infected today, my calculator says 3.4% is 12M Americans.
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Covid19 takes over a week to run its course, live or die. In many cases, the patient needs a hospital bed and sometimes even a breathing machine. If too many people show up, the hospitals can't help all of them, or anyone else. I hope you can understand that would be...not a good thing. Idk where you live, but in my area on the west coast, my local hospital has a refrigerated semi out back to stack the corpses.
I hope you see it's more complicated than just letting everyone get sick and seeing what happens. I, for one, am proud to live in a country that (mainly) is supporting the idea that overrunning the hospitals and letting millions die is worse than hurting our economy.
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IMO, we're fighting what we should now, and we'll have each other's backs while we get ourselves and our economy going again.
(I like my phantom downvote with no explanation from whomever, lol. When non-biased facts anger you, whatever view you're trying to protect is probably wrong.)
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@princess, I did a couple quick Google searches. The US population is 328M (I thought it was 360M, my bad) and the average life expectancy is 78.54 years. What is the point of you saying those are wrong? Dodging the point, I'm guessing? I was more concerned about you spreading misinformation by randomly inflating death rates and potential unemployment rates (45%, ...really?) to serve your purposes.
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I've been on funsub long enough to know you're just a troll and I know I shouldn't feed your ilk. Your numbers just cracked me up too much to not say anything lol
@princessmonstertru is and always has been a beacon of common sense and rationality in this community.
And for your information, the WHO is far from unbiased. They are firmly a Chinese mouthpiece at far as Covid-19 goes, almost invariably parroting the CCP, going so far as to snub the Republic of China. They are as trustworthy as a rabid animal.
You know what should've been done? Institute the social distancing and work/school from home, without shutting down the economy. The isolation should only have been recommended for the elderly and the immunocompromised. 45% unemployment is a conservative estimate if this extends much longer. And that will drastically hurt quality of life and the American economy.
In the first place, we never should have allowed ourselves to rely on foreign sources for critical medical equipment and technology. Now go ahead and insult people a bit more. That's always conducive to conversation.
328M people who live an average of 78.5 years would mean that 4.18M of them would die each year if the population remained constant.
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660M รท 75 years r 8.8M (which is where i got my 9M figure from.
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4.18M vs 2.8M seems like too much of a discrepancy to be explained by an ever growing population but I haven't given much thought to why.
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Pure numbers discussion: If the US did nothing, the largest credible estimation of death was 2.2M people in a country that has about 9M deaths per year on average. Some of that 2.2M were very likely to die in 2020 without covid. And of the 9M who are going to die in 2021, a large amount of them would have died early in 2020 due to covid so 2021 deaths would have actually been something less than 9M.
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Now, imagine the quality of life if we have 45% unemployment. A pure depression in every sense of the word. Starving families, communities resorting to theft, suicides rise through the roof.
.
The question we're faced with is what is the best balance of those two extremes. Claiming that we should crash out way of life to
,
The mortality rate of covid 19 is hard to pin down. News outlets are reporting somewhere between 0.66% and 10%. The World Health Organization, using real numbers and no politics is saying 3.4%.
.
There are 360M Americans. If we all magically got infected today, my calculator says 3.4% is 12M Americans.
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Covid19 takes over a week to run its course, live or die. In many cases, the patient needs a hospital bed and sometimes even a breathing machine. If too many people show up, the hospitals can't help all of them, or anyone else. I hope you can understand that would be...not a good thing. Idk where you live, but in my area on the west coast, my local hospital has a refrigerated semi out back to stack the corpses.
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IMO, we're fighting what we should now, and we'll have each other's backs while we get ourselves and our economy going again.
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@princess, I did a couple quick Google searches. The US population is 328M (I thought it was 360M, my bad) and the average life expectancy is 78.54 years. What is the point of you saying those are wrong? Dodging the point, I'm guessing? I was more concerned about you spreading misinformation by randomly inflating death rates and potential unemployment rates (45%, ...really?) to serve your purposes.
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I've been on funsub long enough to know you're just a troll and I know I shouldn't feed your ilk. Your numbers just cracked me up too much to not say anything lol
And for your information, the WHO is far from unbiased. They are firmly a Chinese mouthpiece at far as Covid-19 goes, almost invariably parroting the CCP, going so far as to snub the Republic of China. They are as trustworthy as a rabid animal.
In the first place, we never should have allowed ourselves to rely on foreign sources for critical medical equipment and technology. Now go ahead and insult people a bit more. That's always conducive to conversation.
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660M รท 75 years r 8.8M (which is where i got my 9M figure from.
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4.18M vs 2.8M seems like too much of a discrepancy to be explained by an ever growing population but I haven't given much thought to why.