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· 4 years ago
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I mean... overall I can support the stance against religious zealotry- but this is pretty flawed. I don’t know what they count as “pushing,” but we teach kids about penises in school- we had to fight (a lot of opponents being religious types) to be able to teach about penises in school. It would actually be pretty bad parenting to big make your kids aware of genitals and types of genitals and educate them on genitals.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
But- this ties in to “thinking with your penis/genitals.” We all kinda do don’t we? St least some times? The core of most societies is built around a basic reproductive unit- marriage, kids, family. A great deal of our laws and morality center around family and reproduction- time off and special exceptions to allow anyone to reproduce as opposed to reproduction being a luxury which people must fit into their lives like anything else without special accommodation. Your job would t give you half a year or more off with a promise to return so you could pursue your desire to be a Pokemon master would it?
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So we don’t treat reproduction as a hobby do we? Statistics show married people are more likely to be promoted, an unmarried political candidate- especially higher office like presidents- has lower odds of being elected than a married one. We are often more compassionate to people with families- traditionally younger single people without children are selected for lay offs when the other possible lay off is married and or with kids- and all other factors are equal or near equal and a “tie breaker” is needed.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
A great deal of our behavior and custom, consciously and subconsciously is centered around reproductive drive. A need for dominance and dominance and social position are strongly rooted in this drive. So to some extent we really can’t help but to think with our genitals on some level at least some of the time. Very few of any people are capable of truly objective thought where they can ignore their own morality or bias, and we tend to label those who can as having mental issues or as being monsters.
guest_
· 4 years ago
So when we tie together those two parts of the analogy- it kinda falls apart.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
The idea that we shouldn’t hold others to our own morality is sound in theory- but flawed in practice. How does that work when you believe murder is wrong and someone else doesn’t? When YOU think sleeping with a child is disgusting, but someone else doesn’t? Etc. do you just say “well- they can do what they want and I’ll do what I want and we won’t hold it against each other”? How would you apply that if the person they decided to murder or sleep with was your own child? Just call it bygones?
guest_
· 4 years ago
So we can get upset at religious folks for holding others to the standards of their beliefs and morality- but you’re likely just as guilty. If you see someone doing something you think is wrong- especially something wrong that hurts you directly, you’re not likely to keep quiet and let them “do them” right? So when they see you doing something they believe is wrong- why would we think it so odd they would be upset?
guest_
· 4 years ago
Likewise- we can say not to go around evangelizing and trying to convert people- but who has ever watched a show that they really liked and bugged their friends to watch r because if they just give it a chance, they will like it; or it’s such a good show you think they NEED to see it? How is that so different? These people think they have the answers to happiness or enlightenment or even eternal life or paradise. And so they want to share it. If you found what you believed was a perfect system would you keep it a secret or try to share it?
guest_
· 4 years ago
How is it so different than advertising for a sports team or a robot vacuum or something?
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Personally I would say that it is too problematic to just say that people shouldn’t try and share things they love with others, or share things they think can help others- BUT, I think the key with it- and especially religion, is to not harass people with it. Not try to grind and coerce them and beat them over the head with it. If someone says “hey, want to talk about my god?” And you say “no” that should be the end of it and they should wait some months at least before contacting you again if at all.
guest_
· 4 years ago
I would say- religion is like... a game you love. Religion is a personal experience shared with a likeminded group. Find people who share your passion for religion and go geek out with them on it. The people at the grocery store don’t want to hear about your totally awesome game or your oh 40 cleric- they want to shop. Go to conventions, hit the internet, meet up other fans and play and discuss and make fan focus together- and then go to work Monday and leave your s%it in your personal life where it belongs.
guest_
· 4 years ago
If you have kids- teach them to play too if you want. We can argue wether you should force them. Parents force kids to learn to play piano or dance, swim, have play dates to “network” with other kids, get tutoring or study or exercise or whatever else they think will be for the kids betterment- or just suits them. That’s life. So unless we want to say parents can’t make kids do things and shouldn’t try to share things they live or teach morals and such to kids- it’s hypocritical to say they can’t do the same with religion- but they should teach their kid the same lesson- leave it alone except when around likeminded people or people who are interested.
