Una tortuga

I had a weird thought earlier.... can tortoise feel a back scratch? The can def feel head scratches and belly rubs, so why not back scratches? My mom's perspective is lack of nerve endings, but I contest if they can feel belly rubs, and their spine is still the shell, they can feel it. Then we got started on lobsters. A lobster may not have a spine, but has nerve endings, also has a shell and can def feel itself being boiled alive. Yes; these are the conversations I have with the people around me; I literally have nothing better to do. Becoming a male nurse might do the world better, but wouldn't do a goddamn thing for me and I'd wind up stabbing people with needles out of sheer hypocrisy and annoyance.

i think they can

I'd treat them as such even if they couldn't.. as not would me trying to bounce basketballs off them. The argument never really mattered; I just found it interesting; I was going to show respect to the shell anyway. If I had to kill a tortoise, it wouldn't be that way; I'd make the suffering minimalized while keeping as much of it as intact as possible... which also, this is gonna sound vicious but it isn't... chopping it's head off and then crushing it's brain. Most reptiles can live for a little while w/o a body. I wouldn't not want one feeling pain longer than needed.