I mean… technically what they brought REQUIRES eating a man’s body, and well…. It also has had more than a few issues involving children… so I mean…. Perspective.
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· 2 years ago
Yeah, all that was about bringing the correct religion. Nothing else to see here.
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· 2 years ago
Oh, and here we are again with this "those [random brown people] should be glad the literal White Knights have saved them from their own history and traditions, totally not intending to enslave them and pillage their resources" history lesson disguised as a funny meme. Ha ha. Super glad there's is always this ONE guy reminding us of the 19th century approach on things. And again and again and again.
Is it the 19th century approach to things? I do believe that the crusades and several other events of fixed conversion or attempted eradication of faiths have occurred world wide, involving the “brown” and “not so brown” alike through history- but using America as an example, into the 20th century the topic has been poignant. Due largely to events of almost 20 years ago, there are still strong sentiments of various bias against the inherent trustworthiness or core nature of Muslims along with calls for things like deportations, immigration bans, and curtailing of civil liberties. You won’t find a shortage of Muslims or even just people who “look” or have names associated in consciousness like they might be of descent from a region known as strongly Islamic or parts of Africa or south East Asia who have encountered prejudice or harassment including those with no reasonable evidence to link them to illegal activities being surveilled or even detained by representatives of law enforcement
or government. If we expand the bubble beyond religion to wider fields of culture or ideology and belief the picture becomes even more grim.
Sticking to religion however- implicit bias towards religious holidays and ceremonies of certain religions over others is endemic and pervasive in society, law, and government. Federal holidays and relating language and particulars was largely into the 20th century and even today centered around largely Christian religious beliefs. The attempt to offer at least the small concession of offering non denominational naming of these holidays while mostly keeping them centered around Christian holidays has been met with harsh pushback and cries that such attempts at marginal inclusion are a “war” on a given holiday or a “war” against that religion itself.
It’s hard to argue that at least we’ll into the 20th century that there weren’t elements of “soft conversion” attempts at least. Through the normalizing of these religious dates and terms across the vocabulary of all. In 1990 if you were in public school, the dates may have coincided with hanukkah or another winter religious holiday, or you may have had no religious holiday- but you were still most likely being dismissed for “Christmas break” and that would largely be what your peers and likely for simplicity yourself would call it. Public spaces would largely be decorated with Christmas trees and related Christian iconography such as a star to represent the star guiding the wise men to the baby Jesus or a Christian Angel.
The mandatory pledge of allegiance had you swearing to pledge your allegiance to “one nation under God” and your money says “in god WE trust..” and they aren’t talking about Vishnu or Wakan Tanka or Quetzalcoatl. These sorts of things are so pervasive that to those who are of a given group it would seem natural, and for those used to that society it would generally seem normal, but those outside a society that normalizes the practice would generally stand out like a sore thumb as odd at the least. Of course we don’t need to focus on soft conversion- into the 20th century indigenous peoples were having their languages, cultures, and religions stripped away by force in much the same way was done in the 1700’s. Except… you know… at a time where people alive today may have witnessed it or at the least their lives would overlap people alive today. If we go internationally we can see this occur well into the late 20th century and into the 21st century with indigenous people. Australia…
.. is a tragic and well known example where “forced education” and relocation took place less than a lifetime ago.
China has “allegedly” been doing this with indigenous populations of predominantly Muslim peoples in this century. Many current or recent debates in the United States and our laws and even the fundamental interpretations of human rights have centered around hardline religious conflict and attempts to “convert” others if not in faith than in practice. School curriculums in areas like sciences such as biology and evolution,
Physics and quantum physics, geology, etc etc. as well as reproductive health aka sex Ed and other areas concerning social relationships have been lobbied by religious fundamentalists to alter the education and experiences of students to reflect their religious teachings and beliefs. This lobbying extends beyond schools into private and government use of science, medicine, psychology and more.
The laws that govern millions of people at state and federal levels have reflected and continue to be lobbied to reflect the religious beliefs of a given group and impose those beliefs on others. People who believe their religion forbids abortion have been a primary and majority driving force behind bans and restrictions that bind the life decisions of others to their own faith. Religious organizations have set up “clinics” disguised as offering such services while in fact operating primarily or even solely as places to peddle or force their beliefs on others. It was, and in some places still is, legal to force people to take part in prayers or certain rights of religion or at least certain religions.
The list could go on. And on. So we can’t really say that such acts are the preview of the past or any specific time in a general sense. The conquest or subjugation/eradication of a given people or group can be traced to a specific time in history, but the general concept of such things or “white knights” and humanitarian atrocities against native populations or “brown people” or even more generally those acts by a majority or powerful group of any sort against another are sadly fairly timeless. To be clear I’m not saying it is the fault of religion or that religion is somehow inherently a bad thing- as alluded to previously, ideologies can easily replace religions with collectivism vs. individualism or communism and capitalism or democracy and monarchy or any number and nuance of ideological or other factors being the axle for one group or person to try to force their idea of things on another.
Sticking to religion however- implicit bias towards religious holidays and ceremonies of certain religions over others is endemic and pervasive in society, law, and government. Federal holidays and relating language and particulars was largely into the 20th century and even today centered around largely Christian religious beliefs. The attempt to offer at least the small concession of offering non denominational naming of these holidays while mostly keeping them centered around Christian holidays has been met with harsh pushback and cries that such attempts at marginal inclusion are a “war” on a given holiday or a “war” against that religion itself.
China has “allegedly” been doing this with indigenous populations of predominantly Muslim peoples in this century. Many current or recent debates in the United States and our laws and even the fundamental interpretations of human rights have centered around hardline religious conflict and attempts to “convert” others if not in faith than in practice. School curriculums in areas like sciences such as biology and evolution,
Physics and quantum physics, geology, etc etc. as well as reproductive health aka sex Ed and other areas concerning social relationships have been lobbied by religious fundamentalists to alter the education and experiences of students to reflect their religious teachings and beliefs. This lobbying extends beyond schools into private and government use of science, medicine, psychology and more.