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Kinda got banned (I regret nothing)

Oh.

Could I ask you a few questions?

IF you tell us who you were and why you were banned.

Ask all the questions you want.

So you're gay, trans,.....and Christian?

Yes. I see no conflict between my religion, my gender identity, or my sexual orientation.

Ok. In 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 it says "...those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality..." Read it and confirm that I'm not lying. (NLT) translation

Ah.. I read King James. Older version. I tend to try to look up what the original text means. As close to the original as possible. So far, I've found nothing. And honestly, as I can't help how I am, why would God punish me for how He made me?

Why would he make you into something He hates and says not to do?

He doesn't hate gay people. And, from what I've read of direct translations from the Hebrew and Greek, it isn't clear.

God doesn't hate anyone, he just hates the sin. I know.

I don't know why I'm the way that I am. I just know I never chose to be, there's nothing wrong with me, and that I should be happy as I am. I prayed for years for Him to take the feelings away. The only answer I've gotten is that He loves me, anyway.

Ahem. This isn't my argument and I'd love to just leave it to the two of you, but I feel it is my duty as a Christian to point this out.
I think you and I can both agree that God made Huma's Guide.
BUT the Bible was written by human men, from tales told through word of mouth for centuries. You can't take it word for word. Also, I looked up the exact part of the bible where it says that to try and find who exactly is saying it, and I found something interesting.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-10&version=KJV
In the King James Version, not only does it say nothing about homosexuals, it does include drunkards. As a good old Christian Irishman, I'm deeply hurt, confused and offended.

Oh, and SongOfTheWhiteStag, my nickname for you is Huma's Guide. Dragonlance reference, I don't expect anyone else to understand it.

I also believe all scripture is inerrant and God-inspired (meaning God told them what to write) not just word of mouth. As for the drinking part, well, i don't know I thought that was obvious. No offense.

I'm sorry.. I don't understand your reference..

Oh and in the KJV, it talks about those who won't inherit the kingdom of God. It says the effeminate won't. I looked up that word and it roughly meant a man who acts more like a woman (referring to being gay I believe) so I think the KJV does talk about homosexuals...

WhiteStag, I apologize for calling you that other rude name, I realize it was wrong now.

At the time that translation was first written, the culture looked down heavily on effeminate men. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing wrong with being male and effeminate.

Also, you're forgiven.

So you're saying there's nothing wrong with being effeminate (gay)?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. I believe this whole-heartedly.

Child. It is referring to an ancient heroic Epic from inside the world of a Fantasy novel. I don't expect you to understand.
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As for you, guest.
It WAS word of mouth. Written and cumulated from multiple different sources.
Unless you think THIS was divinely inspired.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html
http://rasroots.com/essays/biblecontra.htm

I don't think God made a mistake when He told Paul to write that in the letter to the church of Corinth

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH! Hold up! You apologize for calling him a rude name AFTER you read the KJV scripture? The one that puts "Revilers" in the same league as drunkards and effeminates?

Ouch. Hey. Her? Him, please.

Sorry dude, I keep imagining you as the White Stag spirit from the Canticle of Huma. Who happens to be female. I know you're a guy, it was just a slip of the thumb, won't happen again.

It's okay. Messin' with you, mostly. I know. You didn't know. : D Just think though, stag = male.

Never thought of it like that.

Point proven on the first part. I think people screwed stuff up as it went from person to person. But the main verse we were talking about was 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10. That didn't go from person to person. God told Paul what to write in that letter. As for the second message, Yes. Yes I did apologize when I realized i did something wrong. Am I supposed to continue being rude and not apologize? Is that what you want me to do? I'm not gonna lie, I let my mouth get ahead of my mind sometimes.

My thought is translations are flawed. There are a lot of Greek and Hebrew words we don't understand fully and can't properly translate. I feel the answer I got from God about those prayers is true, though. I am who I am and God made me as I am.

Also.. Maybe you can get something from this here..
http://www.gaychristian.net/justins_view.php

Ok. It's better than how some gay people feel about themselves :( it's really the people like Westboro that make em feel that way. Hope I didn't sound judgmental (except for that first comment which I would give a lot to take back)

It's alright. You're good.

I'm just happy this argument is over.

Same. People might get annoyed with how long that one was.

Worth the read. !

Glad you think so. : )

Wow. It's been over a decade since I've read any of the Dragonlance books. I started reading those in the fourth grade, and never knew anyone else that has since then. How odd I'd find the first here on FS.

I've been reading them for just under a decade, and the only person who I've met who also read them was my father. I'm pleased to meet a fellow fan of the series.

Wait. guest. Female prostitutes are okay then?

Sorry, dude. Topic has changed.
So, do they still make those books? I've still got the first couple trilogies, along with a bunch from the Tales (iirc) spinoffs, prequels, or w/e you wanna call 'em.

Well can I change the topic again and you something?

I actually don't know, but I hope they do. I misplaced my "Canticle of Huma" during one of the moves, and it was my favorite.